~Agent Orange Grow Show~

IlovePlants

Well-Known Member
Gotta love the Agent Orange! Did anyone besides me get any other smells though? My Agent Orange isn't orange flavored or smelling. It smells like Lilacs and Apple Skins with a hint of Lemon oil. It is by far one of the most unique plants I have right now, she is quite a petite plant. Anyway the smoke is like lilac-lemon mountain breeze. Very enjoyable for the ten people in the world who have ever had it. Ha! I love Subcool for this little gem, it is my opinion that different is what makes the difference. She is unique. My other pheno was orange-hash flavored and smelling, but the smoke had a completely different high. Hope you got some keepers!
Sincerely,
ILovePlants
 

Subu

Well-Known Member
Gotta love the Agent Orange! Did anyone besides me get any other smells though? My Agent Orange isn't orange flavored or smelling. It smells like Lilacs and Apple Skins with a hint of Lemon oil. It is by far one of the most unique plants I have right now, she is quite a petite plant. Anyway the smoke is like lilac-lemon mountain breeze. Very enjoyable for the ten people in the world who have ever had it. Ha! I love Subcool for this little gem, it is my opinion that different is what makes the difference. She is unique. My other pheno was orange-hash flavored and smelling, but the smoke had a completely different high. Hope you got some keepers!
Sincerely,
ILovePlants
Sure lots of people have experienced different smells to orange as the TGA strains aren't stabilised at all
 

farmerEd

Active Member
Sure lots of people have experienced different smells to orange as the TGA strains aren't stabilised at all

I don't understand everyone's obsession with "stabilizing" things. From what I've seen most "stable" strains aren't quite what they're hyped up to be. Its those special f-1 hybrids that everyone falls in love with in the first place..Variety is the spice of life my friend
 

nugbuckets

Well-Known Member
I don't understand everyone's obsession with "stabilizing" things. From what I've seen most "stable" strains aren't quite what they're hyped up to be. Its those special f-1 hybrids that everyone falls in love with in the first place..Variety is the spice of life my friend
a-fucking-men to that my man.
 

Subu

Well-Known Member
I don't understand everyone's obsession with "stabilizing" things. From what I've seen most "stable" strains aren't quite what they're hyped up to be. Its those special f-1 hybrids that everyone falls in love with in the first place..Variety is the spice of life my friend
The merit of stabilising is that you are able to sell a product without lying to the consumer, e.g. you are guarunteed an orange scent but may not get one, which basically changes the description of the strain to a bag of luck. Also you may get a sativa phenotype which has to be thrown out as it grows too tall.


There's no point in NOT stabilising as you can garuntee the traits people desire when they pay out of their pocket for your product instead of saying sorry i was too busy creating another strain
 

nugbuckets

Well-Known Member
The merit of stabilising is that you are able to sell a product without lying to the consumer, e.g. you are guarunteed an orange scent but may not get one, which basically changes the description of the strain to a bag of luck. Also you may get a sativa phenotype which has to be thrown out as it grows too tall.


There's no point in NOT stabilising as you can garuntee the traits people desire when they pay out of their pocket for your product instead of saying sorry i was too busy creating another strain
i respectfully disagree with the last statement.......there is something to be said about variations within a strain.....if your genetic platform is dank, and you express that to your clientel....that they have the chance at say 4 distinct phenos, (like what sub does)...it gives the grower the opportunity to customize his garden full of individualized selected dank phenos.......i there is a huge difference between slight variables within a strain, and strains that have a high probability of a "red-headed step-child" within the pool..... i have yet to find a pheno within tga beans that wasn't sombodys favorite.....and all dank.......nothing is worse than wasted grow room space on a dud pheno that no one will touch.
 

farmerEd

Active Member
i respectfully disagree with the last statement.......there is something to be said about variations within a strain.....if your genetic platform is dank, and you express that to your clientel....that they have the chance at say 4 distinct phenos, (like what sub does)...it gives the grower the opportunity to customize his garden full of individualized selected dank phenos.......i there is a huge difference between slight variables within a strain, and strains that have a high probability of a "red-headed step-child" within the pool..... i have yet to find a pheno within tga beans that wasn't sombodys favorite.....and all dank.......nothing is worse than wasted grow room space on a dud pheno that no one will touch.
^^exactly...I think you said it a little better than I could
 

captain crunch

Well-Known Member
The merit of stabilising is that you are able to sell a product without lying to the consumer, e.g. you are guarunteed an orange scent but may not get one, which basically changes the description of the strain to a bag of luck. Also you may get a sativa phenotype which has to be thrown out as it grows too tall.


There's no point in NOT stabilising as you can garuntee the traits people desire when they pay out of their pocket for your product instead of saying sorry i was too busy creating another strain
Thats the best part of sub's genetics, and he makes it clear that may have to grow out a full 10 pack to find the one or two pheno's you're looking for. They aren't for everyone, to me they are more geared to individuals who understand that there is always variation within a cross. Personally i'd rather grow out a slew of F1's and find exactly what i'm looking for rather than grow out an f2 or f3 'stabilized' that could also have enhanced undesirable traits from generations of back crossing.

That being said, i got two amazing citrus phenos out of my first 5 AO beans. I lost my favorite (called it orange pez, so sweet and almost like orange candy) and the other leans more towards the taller lanky pheno (whiskey sour), i coined this one 'mind fuck' between myself and a few friends. Two hits and it leaves you so confused and unable to process thought. It's like motor-skill melt down.

Can't wait to see what i get from the last 4 AO's i just popped.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
I could never get any stretch like you got with the Agent orange. Mine were all short thick stout like indicas when I grew the Agent orange. My least favorite thing is always shrinkage you have like 4 lbs of wet trimmed bud and by time its cured you have about 12 oz lol
 

jgould

Well-Known Member
NOne of sub's strains are F1 hybrids , they are poly hybrids. A true F1 comes from stabilised parents from F4 and higher crossed 2 each other. Sub's strains still have hybrid vigor and extreme resin content though, but yes there is alot of variation in sub's strains , but there is in all hybrids really until they are stabilised with whatever traits u like by inbreeding.
 

farmerEd

Active Member
NOne of sub's strains are F1 hybrids , they are poly hybrids. A true F1 comes from stabilised parents from F4 and higher crossed 2 each other. Sub's strains still have hybrid vigor and extreme resin content though, but yes there is alot of variation in sub's strains , but there is in all hybrids really until they are stabilised with whatever traits u like by inbreeding.
He HAS bred for the traits he wants...flavor and extreme resin profile
 

jgould

Well-Known Member
Agent orange, space bomb (BCGA strain not really sub's strain) vortex and querkle and none were stable ! Not sayin they werent good or frosty or vigorous, they are just not stable! What have u grown out?
 

drknmstatiga

Active Member
The merit of stabilising is that you are able to sell a product without lying to the consumer, e.g. you are guarunteed an orange scent but may not get one, which basically changes the description of the strain to a bag of luck. Also you may get a sativa phenotype which has to be thrown out as it grows too tall.


There's no point in NOT stabilising as you can garuntee the traits people desire when they pay out of their pocket for your product instead of saying sorry i was too busy creating another strain
I grew out AO like 3 years ago. i think i had 3~4 pheno out of 7 females. They werent all orange smell i guess but it was dam sweet and some rotten mango smell. However i wasn't able to finish this due to some complications i ran to so i had to close shop early. (had to cut everything down AO was cut at 7week and still dam good)

I grew out mostly from seeds for 4 years. I think i grew out atleast 50 different strains. since i didnt have any access to obtain clones and what not man. It is all in the selection bro this isn't some machine man its a plant.

I grew some from shark shock from shantibaba which had 4 different phenos. But found what i call a white skunk (skunk structure with white widow like frost).

I guess what im tryin to say is this. You can go to any breeder and buy any kind of seeds and it will all have different pheno types within that "brand". Have you ran into some bxs? they still got some different pheno types bro that is bit off the description.

Also the smell, flavor, yield, and potency of the bud depends on how well you grew out and how well dialed was your environment and so on.
It isnt just adding 1+1 = 2 there are lots of varieties you have to look out for. And unless you get a clone bro. GROWING FROM SEED IS A LIKE ROLLING A DICE.
I recommend that you look into a clone from a dispensary if you can becuz I believe that you will be disappointed by growing from seed.

I dont mean to disrespect you in any way man. I been there. so i can tell you and hopefuly you will understand. PEACE~
 

buds901

Member
Steer them with what? Your ill-informed erroneous advice?
be rude all ya like bro, its quite simple science. more leaves is more glucose production, which is more food for the plant which in turn means a bigger yield. simple terms even for simple person like yourself mr big budda cheese lol ever seen the real cheese before? dont dick someone on one post you disagree with you know nothing about me or my rep so go and do one lol.
 

farmerEd

Active Member
Agent orange, space bomb (BCGA strain not really sub's strain) vortex and querkle and none were stable ! Not sayin they werent good or frosty or vigorous, they are just not stable! What have u grown out?

What do you actually consider stable bro? Because there's going to be genetic difference in everything...we're not dealing with gmo (genetically modified organism) so why would you expect every seed to be the exact same lol?
thats like saying if 2 people have a child, that every other child that comes after that one should be identical to the first...

And why would you want to grow the exact same plant that someone else has...grow the seeds, do the work, find what YOU like and quit bitching about it.
 

jgould

Well-Known Member
What do you actually consider stable bro? Because there's going to be genetic difference in everything...we're not dealing with gmo (genetically modified organism) so why would you expect every seed to be the exact same lol?
thats like saying if 2 people have a child, that every other child that comes after that one should be identical to the first...

And why would you want to grow the exact same plant that someone else has...grow the seeds, do the work, find what YOU like and quit bitching about it.
2 or 3 phenos, every one of those strains i grew out were all over the place, agent orange I had 6 females all diff phenos . No big deal just when you read a description , you expect that.
 
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