Any Canadian LP's please take note.

The Hippy

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GroErr said:
Far from stuck in the 70's "dude", I have a degree in Computer Sciences and Psychology, a business in internet security, kids, grandkids, and I've been living with cancer for 5 years, thanks to treating myself with gang it's under control, for me and some patients I know who I provide this wonderful plant pro-bono. You on the other hand must be somehow invested in the MMPR program my friend. To defend a program that takes rights away from patients, offers almost no choices to them, forces them to pay through the nose so a few large commercial producers, in bed with the Harper government and in it only for profit, I'd say you're either invested or stupid. Go ahead and invest and conform to the latest scraps thrown at patients by that control freak Harper, the way things are going that program is pretty well dead before it ever got off the ground. Peace Man...
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I don't think he was directing that at you...it's me he hates...and yes they will fail, because the people are gonna make that happen. Too bad rnr but you picked the wrong side
 
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The Hippy

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rnr said:
ya well times are changing and most of us want to help patients, but also want to get into the market. just cause some cant, don't mean its wrong! in time like the usa if we go legal imo it will be rec prices and worse off for patients and the world runs on $$
so then what you going to do???? I hope your all allowed to grow your own! or itll be a prescription thing you all will have to deal with, like pills in the real world.
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Keep on dreaming buddy cause you'll wake up soon enough to your failure and the failure of MMPR....bye bye-o
 
GroErr

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The Hippy said:
I don't think he was directing that at you...it's me he hates...and yes they will fail, because the people are gonna make that happen. Too bad rnr but you picked the wrong side
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Yeah wasn't sure, either way he is clearly misdirected, misinformed, and somehow vested in this program :(
 
GroErr

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The only thing I have vested in this fight is compassion and satisfaction. The best feeling I can think of is being able to hand over some meds to someone who can't get them elsewhere or can't afford them. That and a ganga tea let me sleep at night, with a smile on my face. Harper, HC, nor any LP can or will ever take that away from me, now and until I kick it, that's my small reward and contribution to society. I would hope, and have some faith, that a judge, should I ever get busted, would at least consider that. The threat of getting busted has no bearing on whether I continue to grow, I am, imo, doing the right thing and not hurting anyone, to me that's all that counts.
 
Princess of Pot

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I'm sure that there are LP wannabes out there who do want to help sick people get the medicine they need at affordable prices. My husband and I both are patients in the mmar and submitted an application bc we would not be able to afford our medicine any other way than by growing it ourselves. Our whole business plan is centered around providing the patients who need marijuana but cannot afford to buy it at current market prices.

I too am angry at the government for trying to take away the rights of patients and for only licensing large corporations (who IMO are profiting off of the sick). But there are many people who have submitted applications who just want to help others. And maybe we won't get licensed, but at least we tried.
 
The Hippy

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I'm sorry but business and charity really aren't the same thing. If your in business it's to make money. That is what is resented by people who provided their own. Be careful because resentment is running very high lately.
 
Devil Lettuce

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Princess of Pot said:
I'm sure that there are LP wannabes out there who do want to help sick people get the medicine they need at affordable prices. My husband and I both are patients in the mmar and submitted an application bc we would not be able to afford our medicine any other way than by growing it ourselves. Our whole business plan is centered around providing the patients who need marijuana but cannot afford to buy it at current market prices.

I too am angry at the government for trying to take away the rights of patients and for only licensing large corporations (who IMO are profiting off of the sick). But there are many people who have submitted applications who just want to help others. And maybe we won't get licensed, but at least we tried.
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Great post Princess, most of us know that there are plenty of people that are in this for the right reasons. Unfortunately, the system is set up to make it very hard for these people to ever get through the application process and get approved. I find it funny that some people spend all their time on the internet hating on everything instead of actually getting off their asses to try and make a difference for the better given the current situation.

Good for you for trying to make a difference, and don't let the haters get you down. Some here like to draw a line in the sand and paint everything in black and white, but that just isn't reality. Most of us here are rooting for small and compassionate prospective-LP's, myself included. Good luck! :)
 
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Princess of Pot said:
I'm sure that there are LP wannabes out there who do want to help sick people get the medicine they need at affordable prices. My husband and I both are patients in the mmar and submitted an application bc we would not be able to afford our medicine any other way than by growing it ourselves. Our whole business plan is centered around providing the patients who need marijuana but cannot afford to buy it at current market prices.

I too am angry at the government for trying to take away the rights of patients and for only licensing large corporations (who IMO are profiting off of the sick). But there are many people who have submitted applications who just want to help others. And maybe we won't get licensed, but at least we tried.
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You sound like KG...a member who I miss.
All the best.
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GroErr

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Princess of Pot said:
I'm sure that there are LP wannabes out there who do want to help sick people get the medicine they need at affordable prices. My husband and I both are patients in the mmar and submitted an application bc we would not be able to afford our medicine any other way than by growing it ourselves. Our whole business plan is centered around providing the patients who need marijuana but cannot afford to buy it at current market prices.

I too am angry at the government for trying to take away the rights of patients and for only licensing large corporations (who IMO are profiting off of the sick). But there are many people who have submitted applications who just want to help others. And maybe we won't get licensed, but at least we tried.
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Sounds like you and your husband have your hearts in the right place and I'm sure there are some LP's that are actually more interested in helping than the money. I'd have no problems with mom/pop LP's that operated on a make a modest living model and selling at reasonable prices, doesn't seem to be the case from what I've seen and read so far. It seemed rnr, based on his/her postings was not, thereby the less than welcoming replies to his posts. Questionable though, based on what I've been reading to-date, whether small LP's will even be allowed into their program. Good luck with your venture.
 
Devil Lettuce

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GroErr said:
Sounds like you and your husband have your hearts in the right place and I'm sure there are some LP's that are actually more interested in helping than the money. I'd have no problems with mom/pop LP's that operated on a make a modest living model and selling at reasonable prices, doesn't seem to be the case from what I've seen and read so far. It seemed rnr, based on his/her postings was not, thereby the less than welcoming replies to his posts. Questionable though, based on what I've been reading to-date, whether small LP's will even be allowed into their program. Good luck with your venture.
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Hey GroErr,

There are far more applicants with that model than you might think......HC just keeps throwing up more hurdles and moving the goalposts to keep them from progressing through the application stage, that's why you don't hear about them. I've spoken with many such outfits though, and they definitely exist......we just need HC to start letting them through.
 
The Hippy

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HC imo only wants the bigger players. They see the MOM and POP deal as the old MMAR sytem which the commandants down there didn't like. they like to think they are big and important and want to deal with a big company like the pharma guys are.
I wouldn't invest 2 cents in the "I wanna be an LP" game.
Never good to go against the peoples wish...ask a lot of politicians how that goes. Got be "on side" or you lookin in from the outside.
 
Princess of Pot

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The Hippy said:
I'm sorry but business and charity really aren't the same thing. If your in business it's to make money. That is what is resented by people who provided their own. Be careful because resentment is running very high lately.
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I think that is a very limited and short sighted view. I am not trying to be rude Hippy, because I do appreciate your contributions to this forum - I find them informative and entertaining. But I think that there are lots of businesses that have charitable organizations and outreach programs that would not be possible if they weren't in business and making money. Just look at President's Choice. Yes, they charge people high prices for food (I bet some of it is even GMO) but they also offer organic baby food at the same cost as the cheapest non-organic brand. They give money away to parents of autistic children to help pay for all the medical specialists. No, I don't work for President's Choice, but I do have a friend with an autistic child who receives money from this company to help with medical costs. No way she would get that money if this company didn't exist.

I think the point should be - If you are a company going into this business, you should be helping the people who really cannot afford this medication. If you're not, that is the problem.
 
GroErr

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Yeah, I've certainly seen/read activity from some smaller LP's, problem is like you said, they don't seem to want small LP's and they have it setup (no transparency or well documented, well thought-out policy) so they can delay, change, mould the system and maintain total control. Their system, which they seem to be making up as they go along, seems geared towards larger LP's only, and the small one's who are more likely to be in it for the right reasons seem to be the victims of the make-it-up-as-we-go policy. I question it in my gut, which is usually right, tells me they're setting up the program to suit their hidden agenda, likely hoping for a majority in the next election, so they can kill it or mould it into an even more broken system. They have no real/clear/transparent policy, and HC's statements are clearly against any form of medical marijuana, in fact right down contentious about it. That tells me to beware and until they prove to me that they're serious and willing to take patient needs into account, I cannot support any program like this.
 
Devil Lettuce

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GroErr said:
Yeah, I've certainly seen/read activity from some smaller LP's, problem is like you said, they don't seem to want small LP's and they have it setup (no transparency or well documented, well thought-out policy) so they can delay, change, mould the system and maintain total control. Their system, which they seem to be making up as they go along, seems geared towards larger LP's only, and the small one's who are more likely to be in it for the right reasons seem to be the victims of the make-it-up-as-we-go policy. I question it in my gut, which is usually right, tells me they're setting up the program to suit their hidden agenda, likely hoping for a majority in the next election, so they can kill it or mould it into an even more broken system. They have no real/clear/transparent policy, and HC's statements are clearly against any form of medical marijuana, in fact right down contentious about it. That tells me to beware and until they prove to me that they're serious and willing to take patient needs into account, I cannot support any program like this.
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It is even more frustrating, as prior to roll-out HC repeatedly mentioned one of the main benefits of the MMPR program was to provide opportunities for small businesses. So far, that certainly does not appear to be the case.
 
GroErr

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Devil Lettuce said:
It is even more frustrating, as prior to roll-out HC repeatedly mentioned one of the main benefits of the MMPR program was to provide opportunities for small businesses. So far, that certainly does not appear to be the case.
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I guess that's probably the biggest problem I have with believing anything they say right there in your response. Anything they've said so far contradicts any of their actions which sets off red flags right away. Being part of that hippy generation is bad enough in that I don't trust any form of government, but when I see and read anything about this program so far, it simply confirms my paranoia... even when I'm straight ;)
 
The Hippy

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Princess of Pot said:
I think that is a very limited and short sighted view. I am not trying to be rude Hippy, because I do appreciate your contributions to this forum - I find them informative and entertaining. But I think that there are lots of businesses that have charitable organizations and outreach programs that would not be possible if they weren't in business and making money. Just look at President's Choice. Yes, they charge people high prices for food (I bet some of it is even GMO) but they also offer organic baby food at the same cost as the cheapest non-organic brand. They give money away to parents of autistic children to help pay for all the medical specialists. No, I don't work for President's Choice, but I do have a friend with an autistic child who receives money from this company to help with medical costs. No way she would get that money if this company didn't exist.

I think the point should be - If you are a company going into this business, you should be helping the people who really cannot afford this medication. If you're not, that is the problem.
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Yes all pretty much true...but will they? You can't be charitable if you don't make profit. Many of the sick people here are pissed because they were supplying themselves for very low prices. Now the thought of being ousted in favor of profit for companies...not sittin real well.
So until real folks rights are reinstated permanently...expect a problem from say.....30,000 people
 
Princess of Pot

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You are absolutely correct, not every company will commit to these types of programs. But some will. And it will be up to the consumer to choose which company best suits them, if any do at all.
 
The Hippy

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Ya it never goes over good when people are told..."no you can't"....but these guys can.........
I'll never buy that deal
 
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