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I work in an emergency room in the area.

We've had multiple assault victims come lately and its the same scenario.

They're walking and minding their own business and a car load of kids comes out of nowhere and starts beating on them.

Detroit area.

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a senile fungus said:

I work in an emergency room in the area.

We've had multiple assault victims come lately and its the same scenario.

They're walking and minding their own business and a car load of kids comes out of nowhere and starts beating on them.

Detroit area.

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Over on Moross ?

knucklehead bob said:

Over on Moross ?

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As far as I can tell its all over the city.

I have a couple friends in other Detroit area ER's and they say same thing going on...

Yet another thing the be wary of while walking.

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st0wandgrow said:

When IS a gun really neccesary though? Certainly not in the article I posted above. If no gun had been on hand there might have been a black eye instead of someones father, or brother, or son being burried.

I'm 40, and I've never had a gun pulled on me, and I've never needed a gun. There have been plenty of situations where I'm thankful I (and others) didn't have a gun though. A harmless fist fight could have ended much worse.

Even if someone pulls a gun on you, the stats say that the VAST majority of the time they just want your wallet. Give it to them. The cash in your pocket isn't worth anyone dying over. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than you do finding yourself in a "crazed gunman" scenario out in public. You also stand a far better chance of having your gun used in an accidental shooting than having to use it to genuinely defend your life.

I understand wanting to have a gun at home to protect yourself and your family. If someone breaks in to your house while you're home then I feel that deadly force is justifiable. But walking around in public strapped is less about common sense and more about paranoia.

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A gun is necessary before it's necessary, so that it never becomes necessary.

The Detroit PD says that 85% of carjackings result in the victim being shot, even if they comply. So thinking they just want your property is shortsighted, they don't want to go to prison, and at that point, you are the only one that can put them there and they know it.

And paranoia is the last thing on my mind. Fact is, bad things happen to good people no matter where they are. A gun gives a person the advantage, which is why both police and criminals both use them.

a senile fungus said:

The 'new thing' in my area is for a car full of young kids to jump out and start gang beating on people walking alone.

I'll be open carrying from now on when I'm walking.

It's lunacy that it has come to this, but I will not be a victim.

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Yeah I suppose it depends where you live/work, or where you are walking around. I might have a different opinion if I spent a substantial amount of time walking around the streets of Detroit.

Like I've said before, each to their own. I just have a hard time believing that more guns out on the street=less violence.

mrbungle79 said:

http://gunssavelives.net/why-i-carry/video-why-i-carry-clerk-shot-in-head-after-complying-with-all-of-armed-robbers-demands-in-ga/

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Yeah, I'm sure that's not the first time that has happened.

The statistics state that a weapon is more likely to be used in an accidental death than to be used to kill an armed assailant. In 2010, there were 230 justifiable homicides. 230 times a private citizen was able to use their gun to kill an assailant. That same year, 606 people died from accidental shootings (ie your kid gets a hold of your gun and blows his head off).

I understand the desire to protect yourself and your family, but the numbers don't lie.

http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/

http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

Those numbers do lie actually. They serve as endless entertainment on the gun forums.

Your first link includes gang members, "children" who were 18 years old gang members, involved actively in the commission of multiple felonies.

I haven't read the second, so I wont comment at this time.


Check into these. If you believe in your argument, then strengthen your position by studying the other side. This is the best one I've seen, although I haven't seen 6.1 yet. I'm about to browse through it.

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.2/gun-facts-6-2-screen.pdf


http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

Michiganja Meduana said:

Those numbers do lie actually. They serve as endless entertainment on the gun forums.

Your first link includes gang members, "children" who were 18 years old gang members, involved actively in the commission of multiple felonies.

I haven't read the second, so I wont comment at this time.


Check into these. If you believe in your argument, then strengthen your position by studying the other side. This is the best one I've seen, although I haven't seen 6.1 yet. I'm about to browse through it.

http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.2/gun-facts-6-2-screen.pdf


http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

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I haven't read your links yet (I will get to that), but just out of curiosity, which numbers are lies? Were there more than 230 justifiable homicides in 2010? Were there less than 606 accidental gun deaths in 2010?

edit: And no offense, but I don't put much stock in to what members of a gun forum have to say about guns. Not very impartial opinions. That would be like trying to find negative opinions of weed on roll it up.

It's a good place to find people who are knowledgeable and or experienced in the subject matter.

The lies I mentioned in my post. When they say that kids are killing kids, the truth is, that they have included gang members some aged 18, and 19, so they can call them a "teen", and make it sound like a school shooting.

st0wandgrow said:

edit: And no offense, but I don't put much stock in to what members of a gun forum have to say about guns. Not very impartial opinions. That would be like trying to find negative opinions of weed on roll it up.

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No, that would be more like trying to find out what we are really like, and what this medicine is all about.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/michigan/2014/09/04/zale-charged-road-rage-fatal-shooting-howell/15079343/

Unrelated to the thread, but the guy from the link I posted is being held without bond. Fucker. Can't think of a punishment that would fit this crime.

Tattoo an American flag on his ass and drop him off at the Iraq/Syria border

Just my personal opinion but I'd prefer not to take the chance that the thug trying to either rob me and my family or carjack me is gonna take the moral high ground and not shoot me after getting what he wants. If you come up to me and decide you are going to rob me and the moment presents itself to where I can take a clean shot you bet your ass I'm going to. Now if he's already grabbed and ran, well, the immediate threat is gone so 911 at that point but I'm not putting mine or my family's lives in the hands of a thug who is already proven to not care about life by putting me and my family in that situation in the first place. That being said, I don't carry everywhere I go, even though I should.

for those who are interested these are badass

Don't mix the two. It's that simple.

mrbungle79 said:

Just my personal opinion but I'd prefer not to take the chance that the thug trying to either rob me and my family or carjack me is gonna take the moral high ground and not shoot me after getting what he wants. If you come up to me and decide you are going to rob me and the moment presents itself to where I can take a clean shot you bet your ass I'm going to. Now if he's already grabbed and ran, well, the immediate threat is gone so 911 at that point but I'm not putting mine or my family's lives in the hands of a thug who is already proven to not care about life by putting me and my family in that situation in the first place. That being said, I don't carry everywhere I go, even though I should.

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How many times have you been car jacked? Ever had a gun pulled on you?

One thing you're neglecting to acknowledge in your thug hold up scenario, is that the thug has the element of surprise on his side. He know's that you're about to get robbed, but you're just going about your business. Are you suggesting that you would be better served in protecting yourself and your family by not complying with his orders? I'd guess that he'd want to see your hands, asking you to keep them up in the air. You ignore that and go digging in your waistband for a gun and you've pretty much guaranteed that you're gonna catch a bullet. It's a tense situation to begin with. Being confrontational and/or fumbling for a gun is going to do nothing to defuse it. You will escelate it.

The only scenario out in public that you would have a reasonable chance to draw your weapon and put someone down is if you are not the target of the crime. If you are a bistander, and see someone getting mugged or whatever, you then have the time and the element of surprise on your side, and you could save someone else's life. Having said that, you're more likely to win the lottery and get struck by lightning on the same day than to find yourself in that situation.

Been very lucky in that respect. But, as I said, it would depend on the circumstance and if the situation presented a clear and safe shot. Would I stand there with a gun in my face and hope that I don't shot after I give up my wallet or would I fight back and possibly escalate the situation? I don't know again, it depends on the situation.

I've said this a million times in a million places but if you are fumbling for your gun you shouldn't be carrying it. When it comes to a weapon proficiency is key. train train train. drawing and target acquisition need to be practiced often. If you can't draw your weapon and acquire your target and fire 3 shots in one fluid motion in 3 secs or less you are just asking for trouble and need to go back to the range or stop carrying altogether as thats what is going to get you killed. That and not being able to read the situation. But again every situation will be different. guy comes up behind me and pulls a gun ,yeah take my wallet and hopefully that's all because as you stated he's got the element of surprise

mrbungle79 said:

I've said this a million times in a million places but if you are fumbling for your gun you shouldn't be carrying it. When it comes to a weapon proficiency is key. train train train. drawing and target acquisition need to be practiced often. If you can't draw your weapon and acquire your target and fire 3 shots in one fluid motion in 3 secs or less you are just asking for trouble and need to go back to the range or stop carrying altogether as thats what is going to get you killed. That and not being able to read the situation. But again every situation will be different. guy comes up behind me and pulls a gun ,yeah take my wallet and hopefully that's all because as you stated he's got the element of surprise

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I feel ya, but honestly you have no idea how you would react in that situation.

Target practice on a range is very different than a real life situation where your life is on the line. You can't account for nerves on a gun range.