Bengazi

The fact that there was NEVER any "protest" in Libya to ever justify the Obama's administration story line is clearly and rightfully damning to all involved. When will we finally talk about the Obama's administration responsibility and accountability for clearly and wrongfully (see our Constitution) leading us into this war in Libya? Was this not an act of war in Libya by al-Qaeda against the US just as it was 9-11-01? Why such a different response to Terrorism under this administration? As this act of war in Libya was both indigenous and against US government targets, why has the media not explored a more conventional motive here?

This is not just a utter failure of the US Executive branch of government, but the free press intended to keep them honest

We get to say what we think is failure, but the fact is, we don't know. And many things are routinely classified for 50 - 60 years, or "upon the death of..." or even Never Release without the CIC...." Presidents in the USA have vast power, (Abe Lincoln) and it is tricky and dangerous to wield it. I want a President that takes action. He did. He does. "Don't just do nothing." If anyone thinks this is easy, go for it. You too, could give it a try. You have to realize that the Obama Doctrine of "light footprint," might be exactly what is called for and it may be almost too late. We have finely balanced sensitivity. It is not a game for fools and dullards, so don't think that. Presidents are briefed on some very weird stuff, indeed. And there is not right and wrong. Just a series of lesser evil, choices. Consider if you will. The history is we have to give the despots enough rope to hang themselves. We have to get them to take a clear action. Invade Poland. Invade Kuwait, etc. That's all the people can really understand. Cross the line, and suffer. We warned you. And we gave you our word. If indeed, we need bait Iran across the north of Iraq to link to Syria, we are doing a fine job I say, in all sincerity. I won't say right or wrong. But, our opponent is very worthy. When we talk to them we can set them up, like we did Saddam. Of course, we need them convinced they are setting us up. We need to reset the blocks, is all I see. And Iran see this, also. We may now need to pull back and consolidate for the War. It seems inevitable, but these proxy wars with Israel could go on for more generations. Obama knows what is going on, we do not. No President these days has all the control. He can't just stop things very easily. But, he is drawing back, possibly for a very real reason, that has nothing to do with peace.

WTF are you talking about here? For the US to use military force legally our national interests must be at stake, they were not in Libya period. The President can act to commit us in any war as O had in Libya, but per law must seek approval from Congress of which he has refused to this day! This is no fucking game and there is no place for these clowns we find in the Obama Administration here, people have now lost their lives and many more are still at risk ...

How exactly does an "investigation" here mend with our response as a country to an act of war against us? Again, how is this administrations response to this act of Terrorism/War in Libya differ so greatly from that just one decade earlier on 9-11?!?

Your candidate fucking lost.Get over it you miscreant

ChesusRice said:

Your candidate fucking lost.Get over it you miscreant

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WTF does Obama's malfeasance as a Commander and Chief have anything to do with a campaign you Fucktard?!?

If you have no actual answer to the questions posed, do us all a favor and STFU and FTW punk!

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Does anyone here know any active duty military members? What is their view of this Libya situation? Has there been other long standing issues with "Rules of Engagement" under this Commander and Chief that have effected their literal well being?

ChesusRice said:

Your candidate fucking lost.Get over it you miscreant

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What a step up from "Why are you trying to exploit the deaths of Americans overseas for political gain"

go back to your circle jerk you fuckin idiot

TheMan13 said:

WTF are you talking about here? For the US to use military force legally our national interests must be at stake, they were not in Libya period. The President can act to commit us in any war as O had in Libya, but per law must seek approval from Congress of which he has refused to this day! This is no fucking game and there is no place for these clowns we find in the Obama Administration here, people have now lost their lives and many more are still at risk ... How exactly does an "investigation" here mend with our response as a country to an act of war against us? Again, how is this administrations response to this act of Terrorism/War in Libya differ so greatly from that just one decade earlier on 9-11?!?

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I agree that there is a level of opinion that supports this view, but it is not REAL. It has no legal basis. You perhaps think it does. But, each President gets to play this the way they see fit. You are talking partisan theory, I'm being REAL. No right-fight for me. You are entitled and I'm not out to debate or change your mind. It is easy to see, I don't take sides. I study the broad brush of history. My opinions of REAL come from that. Japan/Pearl is just one example. Persia at Gaugamela is another. Rommel forced the Dunkirk evacuation, yet another. Patton forced defeat on Rommel Africa, on and on. These concepts are only unusual to those that have no History. You are still too small scope. I said Obama doctrine of Light Footprint. You have to uplevel. I said nothing about after action lessons learned. It is REAL, Iranian intentions for a Caliphate. They are worthy opponents. Many Presidents, past and future are and will be the leaders of this REAL threat. You are not in charge and know nothing of the details. Neither am I. But, I am informed, on my own dime, the History. I don't take sides and I don't right-fight, so please be calm. There is nothing to be combative about. Shit fight with someone else, maybe?

Doer said:

I agree that there is a level of opinion that supports this view, but it is not REAL. It has no legal basis. You perhaps think it does. But, each President gets to play this the way they see fit. You are talking partisan theory, I'm being REAL. No right-fight for me. You are entitled and I'm not out to debate or change your mind. It is easy to see, I don't take sides. I study the broad brush of history. My opinions of REAL come from that. Japan/Pearl is just one example. Persia at Gaugamela is another. Rommel forced the Dunkirk evacuation, yet another. Patton forced defeat on Rommel Africa, on and on. These concepts are only unusual to those that have no History. You are still too small scope. I said Obama doctrine of Light Footprint. You have to uplevel. I said nothing about after action lessons learned. It is REAL, Iranian intentions for a Caliphate. They are worthy opponents. Many Presidents, past and future are and will be the leaders of this REAL threat. You are not in charge and know nothing of the details. Neither am I. But, I am informed, on my own dime, the History. I don't take sides and I don't right-fight, so please be calm. There is nothing to be combative about. Shit fight with someone else, maybe?

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I still have no idea WTF you are trying to say here. Every REAL example you state had REAL US National interest at hand did they not?!? Did the UK & France not invade Libya to secure their national oil interests there? What exactly did this have to do with us and why did O release our national oil reserves at this same time?!? Finally, and most important, why was our CIA still in Libya either before or following the UK's withdrawal of "boots on the ground" for the same and OBVIOUS & REAL security reasons repeatedly provided personally to this administration by the now deceased?!?

What does this have to do with politics as you have repeatedly asserted here?!?

Finally, how do you think this situation is going to go down in your history books?

It seems Gen. Carter Ham (AFRICOM) was relieved of duty for not following stand down orders during the attack. It appears he was the one that put JSOC guys on standby bringing them foward to Italy.

UncleBuck said:

the budget obama proposed had more funding for embassy security. nice try though.

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You really think budget is the issue? Please... http://sofrep.com/12915/mind-melting-breakdown-of-the-benghazi-attack-build-up/

Nothing to do with budget or funding.

I also wonder why were in libya in the first place... A decade of war in multiple theatres not enough

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/libyan-war-gaddafi-falls-but-why-did-we.html

TheMan13 said:

I still have no idea WTF you are trying to say here. Every REAL example you state had REAL US National interest at hand did they not?!? Did the UK & France not invade Libya to secure their national oil interests there? What exactly did this have to do with us and why did O release our national oil reserves at this same time?!? Finally, and most important, why was our CIA still in Libya either before or following the UK's withdrawal of "boots on the ground" for the same and OBVIOUS & REAL security reasons repeatedly provided personally to this administration by the now deceased?!? What does this have to do with politics as you have repeatedly asserted here?!? Finally, how do you think this situation is going to go down in your history books?

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Again, you want to argue something, I'm not talking about. In my opinion, we don't know enough to have more than cocktail party or forum opinions. Your opinion of the reasons these thing occur often don't match the fact that history will finally product. I'm taking about the Obama doctrine of Light Footprint, could very well be the way America wants to go...oh wait, riiiiiight. It IS the way the people voted. I am saying our system does the after action and much is classified. We know now that WW2 was a very near run thing, but we knew that if the people were motivated we would prevail. Near run thing. So, I think the after action is important, and the President is in charge of Action. His and his alone. It doesn't matter what we think about Benghazi. By now, everyone with clearance knows. It is there to see. All the cleared committees already know. They may tell you if you live long enough. The dirty stuff of WW2 is just now being de-classified. Uplevel, chief. I'm not nattering the party level opinion spin of either side.

echelon1k1 said:

I also wonder why were in libya in the first place... A decade of war in multiple theatres not enough http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/08/libyan-war-gaddafi-falls-but-why-did-we.html

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Not so simple. We are not trying to have world peace, at all cost. We have REAL enemies. The Qaddafi tribe is one of them and not only did they screw us about the Locerbee Bombing, but they were in a mad rage set on executing the entire citizenry of Benghazi. Benghazi is not new for us. Rommel's HQ was there. It was liberated. Tripoli is not new. "from the halls of Montezuma..." And of course, it is all about oil, it's all about resources. It's all about the protection of global commerce, the Sea Lanes in the Royal Navy parlance. We will soon protect the Space Lanes. We live little lives. This is about protecting that, for REAL. The rest is opinions. Manufactured, Partisan Opinions to keep us docile. MPO.

Doer said:

Again, you want to argue something, I'm not talking about. In my opinion, we don't know enough to have more than cocktail party or forum opinions. Your opinion of the reasons these thing occur often don't match the fact that history will finally product. I'm taking about the Obama doctrine of Light Footprint, could very well be the way America wants to go...oh wait, riiiiiight. It IS the way the people voted. I am saying our system does the after action and much is classified. We know now that WW2 was a very near run thing, but we knew that if the people were motivated we would prevail. Near run thing. So, I think the after action is important, and the President is in charge of Action. His and his alone. It doesn't matter what we think about Benghazi. By now, everyone with clearance knows. It is there to see. All the cleared committees already know. They may tell you if you live long enough. The dirty stuff of WW2 is just now being de-classified. Uplevel, chief. I'm not nattering the party level opinion spin of either side.

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I get it now brother: Talk in circles ignoring every fact provided, all while accusing me of partisan politics as if it is just a statement of fact. You are a complete and utter fool my friend ...

Doer said:

Not so simple. We are not trying to have world peace, at all cost. We have REAL enemies. The Qaddafi tribe is one of them and not only did they screw us about the Locerbee Bombing, but they were in a mad rage set on executing the entire citizenry of Benghazi. Benghazi is not new for us. Rommel's HQ was there. It was liberated. Tripoli is not new. "from the halls of Montezuma..." And of course, it is all about oil, it's all about resources. It's all about the protection of global commerce, the Sea Lanes in the Royal Navy parlance. We will soon protect the Space Lanes. We live little lives. This is about protecting that, for REAL. The rest is opinions. Manufactured, Partisan Opinions to keep us docile. MPO.

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Dude... WTF? Lost you in the mumbo jumbo...

Simpletons

Doer said:

Simpletons

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Can't make the connection between the embassy attack and gravitational corridors...

Hey, stupidos, Senator Feinstein said on a Sunday show, yesterday, "We will get to the bottom of who changed the CIA assessment that it was an Act of Terror, from day one." It is serious. "Act of Terror" is a legal term, put in place by an Act of Congress. They don't like it being ignored, and wiggle words and excuses used instead. People died in riots, the UN, Congress "We" and others were flim-flamed. Not good. If you are not one of these nit-wits, you know I'm not addressing you!

You don't win many wars by going on TV & telling your enemy everything you know or suspect about them. Not wise!
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