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Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the US

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Padawanbater2, Mar 17, 2017.

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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    do you ever bother to type anything that's actually true, you retarded bigot?
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    only if you ignore what kind of media $2 billion will get ya.

    but you said the other day if we send money to the people we want to get elected, that's a bribe.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Lol that's the best you got? She's a celebrity, but only gets cheers when she DOESN'T talk about the issues??
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    she gets standing ovations when she does that too.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Unhelpful drivel I'd expect from a sock, but you're better than this.

    I'm genuinely interested in your perspective because of your experience working within the Democratic party apparatus.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    By all means, show us!
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Few Corporate donors are foolish enough to lavish such sums on those who aren't the product of 'extreme vetting'.
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    i'm serious. whatever makes pada's tushy feel better is the campaign finance reform i support. here's a flowchart:

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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    A universally accessible amount.

    Tell ya what; give EVERY American $10 million dollars and let the games begin, lol
     
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    Padawanbater2

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    It would be much harder for the establishment Democrats to win an election without accepting corporate bribes (same with Republicans), that's why they don't actually support campaign finance reform
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    They have voted for it in the past. I suspect they scheduled the vote for a time when it would be as meaningful as any of the Republican votes to end 'Obamacare' before 1/20/17.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    I don't explain it. And I'd like to think that means the left will win the next elections too.

    Tell me, you are intent on campaign finance reform and say it's the most important issue of the day. I don't disagree with you but disagree that it is the most important issue of the day to voters nationwide.

    In September 2014, every Democratic Party Senator and independent Senator voted to break a filibuster on Sander's bill to introduce an amendment to the constitution to repeal Citizen's United ruling and enable laws to restrict campaign donations. Every Republican Senator voted to sustain the filibuster. the vote came down to 54 to end filibuster and 42 to sustain it. 60 votes were needed to end the filibuster.

    Polls supported Democratic and Sanders intitiative:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/campaign-finance-poll_n_6153630.html

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    11/13/2014 03:35 pm ET | Updated Nov 13, 2014
    Most Americans Support Giving Congress More Power To Limit Campaign Spending

    In the 2014 November election, Republicans kept every contested seat and gained 9 from Democrats.

    Do you think that campaign finance reform is the wave that Democrats can ride into control of Congress in 2018? Do you think opinion polls are predictive of voting? I think it is wishful thinking.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I think campaign finance reform will be one of a small group of issues that motivate people to get involved.

    It's the centerpiece of government corruption by the rich, so it touches a nerve in a lot of people of both political persuasions.

    One man's opinion. The truth will out soon and it will be fun to watch.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    sure there is a whole big basket full of issues to deal with. I'm not saying they shouldn't be a majority of the work done by elected leaders. What I'd like to hear is about 90% of whatever a Democratic Party elected leader say in speeches or any time in public is what they do about more jobs and job security. In any publication, put jobs issues in front. The other 10% of the communication should discuss whatever else. I get the sense that Democratic leaders are talking 90% other issues and 10% jobs. There is no reason why the Democratic Party can't take the issue of economic security for the 90% as their own.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I think kicking corporations out of politics IS about jobs.
     
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    Grandpapy

    Grandpapy Well-Known Member

    Just jobs?

    What if an investment advisor told you that he could get you $119 back for every $1 you gave him? That’s a 11,900% rate of return.
    These measures leave out at least two major ways that the industry wields its influence: advertising and unregulated SuperPac spending.
    http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-industry-influence-in-the-u-s/

    Commuter trains, free flowing traffic, Alt Energy, Education and Health are all enemies of the State, err, I mean Industry.
    What do you think would happen if the FDA & the Ins.Industry suddenly seen a doubling of Cancer rates? Double the treatment/education/jobs/research? or just abandon the American worker.
    When do the laws of Commerce trump the Constitution? ....and has anybody spent time for killing a Corporation?
     
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    Padawanbater2

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    Of course there is. Corporations don't want to raise wages or provide their workers with benefits if they're not legally obligated to, so they lobby congress to stifle legislation that would legally require them to raise the minimum wage or provide said benefits. That's why there is no paid maternity leave in the US, paid vacation time, and even why some workers who work full time still don't earn enough to sustain a basic living. It's why Israel get's a free pass to commit war crimes in Palestine, because they lobby both sides, dems and reps. Idiots like Alan Dershowitz who call anyone who criticizes it an 'anti-semite'..

    The Democratic establishment can't touch a lot of the main issues that face the American worker, that's not who they or their policies represent. Court big donors, that's who you're going to be representing. American workers all over the country can see that. That's the exact shift I was talking about a few weeks ago, the shift the Democratic party needs to make in order to have any kind of chance of ever winning again, from identity style political arguments to policy based, substantive arguments that will resonate with the working-class. Go compare your reaction to the idea then, in that thread. Much different than now.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    OK, so then no good reason.

    Some of what you say is true. Could you put some names onto "Democratic establishment that don't touch main issues"?

    And yes, anybody who isn't actively saying what they will do about job growth and security and then doing it should be turned out. Completely with you there. Of course it's up to the voters in their district to decide. Need to convince them too.
     
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