Best genetics for Jack herer?

eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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Serva said:
And what's different to my statement and what I've quoted? "closest to Jack Herer", including it's not the same strain...

I just said, that Sensi doesn't have what you call Jack Herer. It's Shanti and Nev who did the work, and selected proper parental genetics to create this strain again. Sensi crossed in some "random" male nobody knows about, and was never selected by Shanti/Nev. So if someone is asking for best Jack Herer genetics, I would recommand the original breeder, and not some mordern money making factory like Sensi. They get money for the name of stains, which they don't have the parents anymore (thats going on now for 20 years!). They just sell "random" genetic under the original names...

Have a look into mns forum, there you can see that neither Shanti, nor Nev have anything good to say about Sensi. So why recommanding Sensi, when the original breeders and their work are still avaible?
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Each to their own, I've grown both SSH and Jack Herer and this thread is about the best JACK HERER, to which I said the Sensi version is the best. I dont give a fuck what the story is behind it so stop trying to pick a fight because 'you know the story', I dont give a shit, seriously!
 
Serva

Serva

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Calm down... haha. It was you saying it's the ORIGINAL, not only the best! But I guess your SSH is from GH. And instead of just saying "ups I didn't know that, it's good I learned something new!" and accepting the truth, you dick around here now, "don't give a shit" about the story.... the story which is the truth behind this genetic. But you prefer to recommand some cheap "copy"/remake instead... it has nearlly nothing to do with Jack Herer genetic, because Sensi changed it, they didn't changed the name for one reason: money! Sannie's Jack has even more original genetic than Sensi's.
 
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eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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Serva said:
Calm down... haha. It was you saying it's the ORIGINAL, not only the best! But I guess your SSH is from GH. And instead of just saying "ups I didn't know that, it's good I learned something new!" and accepting the truth, you dick around here now, "don't give a shit" about the story.... the story which is the truth behind this genetic. But you prefer to recommand some cheap "copy"/remake instead... it has nearlly nothing to do with Jack Herer genetic, because Sensi changed it, they didn't changed the name for one reason: money! Sannie's Jack has even more original genetic than Sensi's.
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Hahahahaha no, the SSH I ran was from Shanti. The truth is, I really dont give a fuck about some story that you copied off another forum, whether it's true or not. You weren't there so it's just one side of the story. The fact is the OP asked for people to say who has the best JACK HERER, not SSH so just fuck off already, peasent!
 
Serva

Serva

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I thought this page is for adults, not for crude kids... learn how communication is working, and learn how to read properly. The operator is asking for "best genetics for Jack Herer" and you recommand a strain, which has pretty less (to call it a positiv way) to do with Jack Herer, beside the name... Sensi never did the pheno hunting of Nev and Shanit, but claim a price, which is unnormal for this kind of work. Sensi hasn't breed anything good within the last 20 sears, it's like fast food, sometimes good to consume, but far away from superior, or healthy! But as a kid you are (otherwise you communication would show a little bit more education), I guess you don't know this time, and what a Jack Herer really was...

And my quote is Neville himself talking about Jack Herer/SSH/Diesel. The breeder of the strain we are talking about. Good you don't give a shit... stubborn childish mind :/

But from what I heared the OP has changed to Bodhi's gear, instead of growing Sensi's inferior stuff. Good job!
 
eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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Serva said:
Calm down... haha. It was you saying it's the ORIGINAL, not only the best! But I guess your SSH is from GH. And instead of just saying "ups I didn't know that, it's good I learned something new!" and accepting the truth, you dick around here now, "don't give a shit" about the story.... the story which is the truth behind this genetic. But you prefer to recommand some cheap "copy"/remake instead... it has nearlly nothing to do with Jack Herer genetic, because Sensi changed it, they didn't changed the name for one reason: money! Sannie's Jack has even more original genetic than Sensi's.
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I would like to apologise for my responses yesterday, it was not a good day for me and I don't normally bite like that so I'm sorry.
 
Pitu

Pitu

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Serva said:
Nevil on mns forum:
"Either Sensi directors authorised the release of the plant produced from a mating I had made prior to ending up in jail in 1990, or a person in a position of trust made private arrangements. The mating was NL5xHzC X SK1xHzC.

Sensi won a cup with this cutting. It was called "Jack Herer". The J.H. line of seeds had this plant as a mother.

Green House also won with this plant at the Cups. It was called Super Silver Haze. As GH never had this cutting, who knows what they are calling SSH.

In the '90s, a variety known as Diesel was making a name for itself. When I smoked it I knew instantly that this was exactly the same plant and they had a cutting. The early Diesel line of seeds would also have used this plant as a mother.

All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago. One would assume that successive generations would all go in their own unique directions, presumably giving rise to any distinct differences today. The names have remained the same and all 3 lines gained their credibility from the exceptional qualities of the original cutting NL5HzC x SK1HzC.
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"If the original cup winner was NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC and MNS sells NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC seeds then who is selling the real deal?

The area for improvement was not the NL5xHz mother, SB already has cuttings of the best ever produced. The improvement would be in the SKxHz father. Later Skunk versions that were crossed with the Haze were far superior to the Skunk Hazes of the '80s.

As I have said before, inbreeding Haze especially to the same Haze ancestor leads to a greater incidence of the cat piss pheno. The Diesel or fuel like smells are an intermediate stage. NH also has more fuel type offspring than the 5Hz, but not as many as a plant inbred to HzC. NL5HzA had darker flavours than NL5HzC, but I wouldn't call it diesel.
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All I can say is thank you sir for going deeper in the genetics that was something I was looking for.
I only had experience with the sensi variety and only because my mate gree them.
I think ill give your ideas a chance because I sure did not know anything about it lol.
Best info imo thanks mate.
 
Staretz44

Staretz44

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Serva said:
Nevil on mns forum:
"Either Sensi directors authorised the release of the plant produced from a mating I had made prior to ending up in jail in 1990, or a person in a position of trust made private arrangements. The mating was NL5xHzC X SK1xHzC.

Sensi won a cup with this cutting. It was called "Jack Herer". The J.H. line of seeds had this plant as a mother.

Green House also won with this plant at the Cups. It was called Super Silver Haze. As GH never had this cutting, who knows what they are calling SSH.

In the '90s, a variety known as Diesel was making a name for itself. When I smoked it I knew instantly that this was exactly the same plant and they had a cutting. The early Diesel line of seeds would also have used this plant as a mother.

All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago. One would assume that successive generations would all go in their own unique directions, presumably giving rise to any distinct differences today. The names have remained the same and all 3 lines gained their credibility from the exceptional qualities of the original cutting NL5HzC x SK1HzC.
N."

"If the original cup winner was NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC and MNS sells NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC seeds then who is selling the real deal?

The area for improvement was not the NL5xHz mother, SB already has cuttings of the best ever produced. The improvement would be in the SKxHz father. Later Skunk versions that were crossed with the Haze were far superior to the Skunk Hazes of the '80s.

As I have said before, inbreeding Haze especially to the same Haze ancestor leads to a greater incidence of the cat piss pheno. The Diesel or fuel like smells are an intermediate stage. NH also has more fuel type offspring than the 5Hz, but not as many as a plant inbred to HzC. NL5HzA had darker flavours than NL5HzC, but I wouldn't call it diesel.
N."
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Serva said:
Nevil on mns forum:
"Either Sensi directors authorised the release of the plant produced from a mating I had made prior to ending up in jail in 1990, or a person in a position of trust made private arrangements. The mating was NL5xHzC X SK1xHzC.

Sensi won a cup with this cutting. It was called "Jack Herer". The J.H. line of seeds had this plant as a mother.

Green House also won with this plant at the Cups. It was called Super Silver Haze. As GH never had this cutting, who knows what they are calling SSH.

In the '90s, a variety known as Diesel was making a name for itself. When I smoked it I knew instantly that this was exactly the same plant and they had a cutting. The early Diesel line of seeds would also have used this plant as a mother.

All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago. One would assume that successive generations would all go in their own unique directions, presumably giving rise to any distinct differences today. The names have remained the same and all 3 lines gained their credibility from the exceptional qualities of the original cutting NL5HzC x SK1HzC.
N."

"If the original cup winner was NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC and MNS sells NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC seeds then who is selling the real deal?

The area for improvement was not the NL5xHz mother, SB already has cuttings of the best ever produced. The improvement would be in the SKxHz father. Later Skunk versions that were crossed with the Haze were far superior to the Skunk Hazes of the '80s.

As I have said before, inbreeding Haze especially to the same Haze ancestor leads to a greater incidence of the cat piss pheno. The Diesel or fuel like smells are an intermediate stage. NH also has more fuel type offspring than the 5Hz, but not as many as a plant inbred to HzC. NL5HzA had darker flavours than NL5HzC, but I wouldn't call it diesel.
N."
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Excellent info. Thanks for posting it. I had no idea JH came from parents cultivated by Mr. Nice and Shantibaba. That is so good to know since I was about to buy a pack from Sensei. Too bad people just getting into this niche of growing don't know the story behind many famous strains and who the real cultivators are and how their work has been literally stolen from them in the name of profit.
 
Staretz44

Staretz44

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eastcoastmo said:
Hahahahaha no, the SSH I ran was from Shanti. The truth is, I really dont give a fuck about some story that you copied off another forum, whether it's true or not. You weren't there so it's just one side of the story. The fact is the OP asked for people to say who has the best JACK HERER, not SSH so just fuck off already, peasent!
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You spelled peasant wrong.
 
eastcoastmo

eastcoastmo

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Staretz44 said:
LMAO! You're so sensitive. It must be hard going through life being so easily triggered about dumb shit. Four years later and you still mad. Grow up, son
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Lol, says the person who comments on grammar 4 years later. I think you should go and hide back under that rock, rock spider!
 
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cbr900rr1

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i'm vaping some JH right now, not sure where it came from.... I remember 20 years ago when I was in Amsterdam with my buddies, we would always buy different strains at the coffeeshops, and my buddy got JH, it was his favorite... I got some bulldog seeds JH and will be growing one next run, looking forward to it for a morning afternoon smoke.. Anybody have a smoke report on Bulldog JH ? How many phenos, etc ?? peace
 
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conor c

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best ever was the original from sensi old stock but depends what you after if you after faster flowering then sensis current one if you after the longer hazier side try sannies best i tried came from old sensi stock i know people who still got a killer cut of it its funny i used to get this so much i didnt appreciate how good it was till time passed its definitely one of my fave sativa smokes to find it in sensis seeds now would cost and take more numbers and luck id imagine if at all
 
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