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Best system for SOG?

Discussion in 'Hydroponics / Aeroponics' started by jronnn, Sep 19, 2015.

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    jronnn

    jronnn Well-Known Member

    hey guys I’m trying to start a SOG and i was wondering if any of you guys have any experience in multiple systems with sog? like under perfect conditions what is going to get you the best quality/quantity? I’ve heard aeroponics is the best but what about coco or ebb & flow hydroton? or super soil? I’m open to all suggestions

    I’ve also seen aeroponic system like the aquamist thats like aero/dwc, then theres systems like the aeroflo thats like aero/NFT… I’m hoping to hear every ones input, thanks!!
     
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    smegpot

    smegpot Well-Known Member

    It depends on what you want to do and what your personal tastes are. If you want weight and speed, than Aero or DWC is the way to go. Do you want hands off ease, where time is no biggie? Soil. Do you want a mix of both, do coco or other soil less.

    Asking for the "best" is a pretty subjective thing. There is no best, only what suits your needs. Time, weight needed, quality needed, $$, experience, space, lights, env control...all these things sort of dictate what your set up is going to be.

    Based on what you initially posted I would go coco and do best of both worlds till you get a few runs under your belt. Then you can can do a few DWC or a tray, then if you have the dollars go full into Aero.

    Basically the more hydro/O2 mix you go without a medium to go between the faster your grow and the more bud you get....but when things go wrong, they usually go catastrophically wrong. Aero especially, you really want to be on top of your shit if you want to do it, one of those sprayers gets clogged, your plant will be dead before it even shows it.

    I don't think anyone can argue with the more weight and speed remark...as far as what tastes better, has better flavor, you will never find that answer in any forum, just opinions.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2015
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    jronnn

    jronnn Well-Known Member

    thanks for the reply but yes speed and weight is the goal and i have a fuck ton of time.. and i basically have access to any resource i could need the only thing i lack is personal hands on experience. I've done a shit ton of research (probably upward of 50 hours) and I've helped friend with their grows but they were all soil and i had all my research done to do aeroponics but now I'm seeing flood and drain SOG and it just seems super easy and peoples yields in the flood and drain seem comparable (although f&d grows slower) but i also like the fact that once you see you have a problem in aero you can fix it immediately and you can walk away knowing the problem is problem allset (although i guess it would be the same way in aero?) like how much faster would you say a plant grows in aero as opposed to f&d? and how much of a difference would you say there is in yield? (only the same plant in the same ideal conditions)
     
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    Alaric

    Alaric Well-Known Member

    Bravo :clap::clap::clap:

    excellant post.

    A~~~
     
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    a senile fungus

    a senile fungus Well-Known Member

    I was going to say the same!

    Keeping it real
     
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    smokefacekillah

    smokefacekillah Well-Known Member

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    DirtyMcCurdy

    DirtyMcCurdy Well-Known Member

    Agree. I say flood and drain. Maximizes space on your tables to run smaller plants closer together.
     
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    DirtyMcCurdy

    DirtyMcCurdy Well-Known Member

    You might be able to fix things in aero faster but things can go wrong a lot faster with aero too.
    As far as aero being faster? IDk about all that, probably in veg, I doubt its any faster once you're in the flower stage.
    Aero is just more complicated all around. Simplicity has a quality of its own...I say flood and drain.
     
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    jronnn

    jronnn Well-Known Member

    but how about yield?? god damn it now you guys got me wanting to change my mind lol
     
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    Indagrow

    Indagrow Well-Known Member

    I do a perpetual scrog in soil with flood tables (bottom feeder)... It's a real pain in the ass, but I couldn't think of any other way to move individual strain clones through the system while keeping them happy. Also can't rationalize down time, but that's me..
     
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    DirtyMcCurdy

    DirtyMcCurdy Well-Known Member

    Yield is first going to be determined by your abilities. Then genetics. Then atmoshpere(lights, temps, humidity, ect). Then, maybe, method comes into play. But unless you get those things dialed in you wouldn't notice much difference between systems, imo.

    Whichever way you decide to go, get it dialed in and kill with it. :hump:
     
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    DirtyMcCurdy

    DirtyMcCurdy Well-Known Member

    Good point. It is very easy to move plants around, remove diseased or infested plants if needed, or males if you grow from seed. Its easy to have several plants on different schedules-because its so easy to just remove and add plants to flood tables.
     
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    jacksthc

    jacksthc Well-Known Member

    Probably the best sog system I have seen on a video on youtube.
    The grower had a table with plants on trays and another set of trays under the the table and swapped them every 12 hours so pulled double the yeild in the space and as the lights on 24hour the enviroment sayed perfect :)
    for the space and getting the best yeild out the room it got to be the best way
    But you need a very high plant count
    somthing like 60-100 plants.
    In 2ltr pots, 2-3 sets of fan leaves and flower so they only grow 6-12" high under a 600w hps
     
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    Indagrow

    Indagrow Well-Known Member

    I need consistency so even tho I do grow from seed occasionally it's just to find what I want I always clone and flower the clones. I thought it would be really easy too! Ha I think I need a better scrog for my veg. I have some fencing and grow them out a little.. Then bring them into the flower and put the fencing back over... I guess if everything worked perfect I'd be bored so I always throw something into the mix for fun
     
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    jronnn

    jronnn Well-Known Member

    when i asked my question I'm asking in the ideal situation with ideal atmosphere, genetics and method, how much more do you think (give or take) you'd yield and how much faster
     
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    ^^^^ I've done F&D, RDWC, NFT, and low pressure sprayers and the time difference is neglible. The LPS is what I do now and it seems the most stable. Most SOG's I've seen use flood tables.
     
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    DirtyMcCurdy

    DirtyMcCurdy Well-Known Member

    If everything were perfect, than I would guess areo would probably grow the fastest/yield the heaviest. But my point is if everything isn't perfect you'll wish you'd gone a simpler route as both growth and overall yield will suffer greatly compared to other systems. Plus setting up and dialing in an aero system will take time.
    When it comes to overall yield, unless limited by space or other resources, you'd be better off growing a few more plants in simpler, more "user friendly" system then trying to push maximum efficiency out of a more complicated system. imo
     
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    I agree with Dirt. SOG is all about high numbers, tightly packed, short cycles (veg), and typically clones. Simplicity is the word of the day and for that reason flood tables would be the better choice IMO.
     
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    GrowerGoneWild

    GrowerGoneWild Well-Known Member

    Just depends on your budget and willingness to maintain a system.

    Complicated but good performance- Low Pressure Aero.. Stuff still clogs sprayers get choked off, A little spendy to setup with higher GPH pumps. I dont really care for how the sites aren't movable. like in the AeroFlo 60's I made my own version, wasn't that bad. I like to think of it as a dragster.. something always needs tweaking, watching, or fixing.

    Less Complicated, lower cost - RDWC, Top drip Dutchpot, E&F. NFT. All work great, better for SOG. I like top drip dutchpot style, I can pull the feed hoses from plants that are ready to harvest, and handwater them, to flush the medium, and I dont need to feed a plant near harvest. If you look at the big boys some of them use a top drip hydro. If you really want go with Drain to Waste.. perfect feed. I kinda think RDWC has the most agressive growth but I'm not diggin it for SOG.

    Simple but works damm good, cheap to setup! - Coco, Hempy, Wick... etc.. A buddy of mine puts out great flowers using synthetic fed coco. Pretty good if you like handwatering stuff. Check out a product called the Octopot, I think its a wick system.
     
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    jronnn

    jronnn Well-Known Member

    LPS as in aeroponics is what you do right now? can you give me an example of a table you run with the # of plants and wattage/yield?
     

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