whitebb2727
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I know why.
Here in certain zones we are allowed unlimited does because of large numbers of deer. That's the way to do it but if we all have the fuck it attitude and kill what ever then there wont be any left.
Big Game Hunters, Show Your Stuff
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Here in certain zones we are allowed unlimited does because of large numbers of deer. That's the way to do it but if we all have the fuck it attitude and kill what ever then there wont be any left.
dux
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I'm really not sure? but unregulated harvesting?
I do know that Illinois and Missouri has some of the best trophy potential these days!!
whitebb2727
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Hookabelly
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Yes, I found them this weekend and I've been perusing their hog casings LOL Good site thank you.
This goes for poachers fishing the river too. That's why rivers CLOSE every so often. If you stand at the mouth of the creek and fish them out...DUH Hate seeing guys standing all over the rivers when not supposed to be fishing. Doesn't anyone read game laws anymore?
elkamino
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This year we made sausage out of mtn goat, bear, caribou and moose. Kielbasa, Italian, Breakfast, snack sticks. Also some salmon sausage that's really good. Tips are keep the recipes simple, just like other cooking, and make whatever you want its not complcated. Also with game meats use lots of pork, I often bacon lol.
Here's elk brats from a few years ago.
Some moose bratwurst and Italian sausage.
whitebb2727
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I'm hungry now.
Hookabelly
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WOW! impressive. I am learning that sausage making is as varied as coffee roasting. etc. my guy wants to dry age cured meats, like soprasata. I went about 45 miles yesterday to south seattle to visit an old timer butcher. He was SO helpful. Old school. Dry aging is tricky though. But I know my husband will build the necessary structure to dry age. He's built a really cool smoker already and his jerky is the bomb. Gave a bunch to my friends' husbands. I think we'll start off with the basic kinds as shown above, and then learn about dry aging.
@whitebb2727 I'm hungry now too. that salmon sausage sounds interesting. Do you mix that w/ pork too?
i grow everglades bud
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Someone's flustered!!! Your right tho if everyone did what I did there wouldn't be 25 does and 5 or 6 bucks for me to run up on and take my pick, I'm very ethical, I believe I'm doing no wrong, as for you everyone has an opinion, I have kill shots on video for anyone that wants to say a .22 isn't powerful enough to lay em down. Sometimes when rabbit hunting you see a deer you want, who are you to tell me it's not mine to take with what I had,Smoke a joint buddy the worlds full of things you don't agree with that doesn't mean I'm an ass hole it means we are different. Whether you agree or not all of us are doing the same thing, I thought only Gods allowed to judge me, one day we will have this talk till then enjoy what it is, obviously you have the same passion for it as I. But I'm sure you won't see it this way lol
wascaptain
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i sure dont see it your way bud.
but i dont hold any ill will agasint you.
every saturday morning theres a radio broadcast about hunting and fishing here in south lousiana.
theres a part call bad boy outlaws, its about shit heads that break game laws like you.
i like when, they get the book thrown at them and lose there boat, truck, guns, do time and pay a fine.
but i dont hold any ill will agasint you.
every saturday morning theres a radio broadcast about hunting and fishing here in south lousiana.
theres a part call bad boy outlaws, its about shit heads that break game laws like you.
i like when, they get the book thrown at them and lose there boat, truck, guns, do time and pay a fine.
BarnBuster
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well, yet another topic to research..but interesting that without their management, it appears that the (now) common white tailed deer could very well have gone the way of the passenger pigeon. I read that at one time they estimated only 300,000 in the entire country.
elkamino
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Whitetail #s have fluctuated greatly over the years but they have never been at risk of extermination. Bison and elk on the other hand were nearly done in through commercial hunting, loss of habitat and Western Expansion.
American Bison numbered ~30 million when Euros landed on this continent. But they're generally not afraid of guys with guns so by the late 1800 they were thought to be shot to extinction. Check this bison skull pile from around late 1800s:
Fortunately a small herd of less than 100 animals was found in the mtns of Yellowstone NP and brought back through intensive efforts. Today, EVERY ONE of the 500,000 American Bison (not Woodland Bison, although their story is similar) are decendants from that small herd, an incredible success story.
We can thank Teddy Rosevelt for these efforts, a plan now called the North American Wildlife Conservation model and copied successfully around the world. It has 2 principles- that fish/game should be managed for the non-commercial use of its citizens; and that animals should be managed for optimal populations, mostly through habitat protection and bag limits. The model works very well, and when it doesn't (e.g. wolves, lol), the Endangered Species Act grants management authority to the feds, something nobody wants, so state mgmt agencies are highly incentivized to keep populations within thier borders stable and healthy.
American Bison numbered ~30 million when Euros landed on this continent. But they're generally not afraid of guys with guns so by the late 1800 they were thought to be shot to extinction. Check this bison skull pile from around late 1800s:
Fortunately a small herd of less than 100 animals was found in the mtns of Yellowstone NP and brought back through intensive efforts. Today, EVERY ONE of the 500,000 American Bison (not Woodland Bison, although their story is similar) are decendants from that small herd, an incredible success story.
We can thank Teddy Rosevelt for these efforts, a plan now called the North American Wildlife Conservation model and copied successfully around the world. It has 2 principles- that fish/game should be managed for the non-commercial use of its citizens; and that animals should be managed for optimal populations, mostly through habitat protection and bag limits. The model works very well, and when it doesn't (e.g. wolves, lol), the Endangered Species Act grants management authority to the feds, something nobody wants, so state mgmt agencies are highly incentivized to keep populations within thier borders stable and healthy.
Agriculture also plays a substantial roll in the come back of game, prior to the commercial farming explosion of the 30's & 40's food could be a big concern to deer in a poor mast year. Now a blind, deaf deer can find plenty to eat but I believe the biggest reason for their comeback was the conservation movement founded by Aldo Leopold.
To ship a 25 lb box over night cost about 130 bux fedex - it would be cheaper for you to just knock on the door & ask for a plate. 
420God
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I sent him jerky. My conscience is clear.To ship a 25 lb box over night cost about 130 bux fedex - it would be cheaper for you to just knock on the door & ask for a plate.
neosapien
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Haha, that is very true, you have literally sent me meat in the mail lol.I sent him jerky. My conscience is clear.
They go easier on murderers around here than poachers.
Haines hunting guide sentenced for Lacey Act violation
A Haines man will serve 4 years on probation after his felony conviction of making a false record during a guided hunt, a violation of the Lacey Act that is intended to prevent wildlife trafficking.
John Katzeek was acquitted of eight other charges during a jury trial in Juneau last February.
U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Burgess on Wednesday also prohibited Katzeek from any guiding activity while on probation, and ordered Katzeek to perform 200 hours of community service that cannot be in the form of teaching hunting skills. Katzeek can accompany and help his wife during subsistence gathering, but he cannot operate or possess firearms. He was also ordered to pay a $2,000 fine and $1,500 in restitution.
Katzeek said in court that he was an honest man, and he and his wife rely on subsistence.
Katzeek was convicted on a felony charge related to a hunt that was conducted in October 2011. Prosecutors said Katzeek filed paperwork that included false information about meat taken from the field, date of the hunt, and the assistant guide who accompanied him on a hunt for a mountain goat.
His prosecution was part of a larger joint American-Canadian investigation into alleged illegal guided hunts and alleged illegal importation of wildlife into Canada. Federal prosecutors say 17 people in Alaska, Yukon and Alberta were charged with 55 violations as part of “Operation Bruin” that investigated guided hunts in the Haines area.
Ronald Martin, a former Haines guide, was sentenced to four years on probation and ordered to pay a $40,000 fine after pleading guilty to federal charges in October 2013. He was also ordered to forfeit bear and moose trophies, a small plane, a pick-up truck, a trailer, an ATV and a rifle used in hunts.
Brian Hicken, Kenneth Cox, and Tyler Antel–all of Alberta, Canada–faced charges of conspiracy to violate the Lacey Act and violating the Lacey Act with false labeling or reporting. Prosecutors alleged that Katzeek was a former guide who assisted in the illegal taking of mountain goats with the other three men as his clients. They were later acquitted of conspiracy and false reporting charges. Katzeek was also accused of importing two trophy Dall sheep using falsified documents, and was acquitted of those charges during trial.
http://www.ktoo.org/2015/01/09/haines-hunting-guide-sentenced-lacey-act-violation/
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