Burma

abe23

abe23

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Did anyone see this documentary? It's about these guys in burma who filmed the protests there three years ago. It's extraordinary to see these people put their lives on the line to get this footage so that the world will see what's going on. Not that the world really cares, but that's a different story...

This should be required viewing for all tea partiers, just to give them an idea of what actual tyranny is and what it looks like when you stand up to it.

(sorry for inserting petty domestic squabbles into this, but it had to be said...)

[video=youtube;V08EBWQLzyU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V08EBWQLzyU[/video]
 
medicineman

medicineman

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What's your point? No-one is shooting at teabaggers...YET. Hopefully in the future, take out a few right wing nutjobs. Hell, I might even go back and join the military again, just to participate in that jovial experience. Hey, I see one now, bing bang boom, got another one. Now maybe like in Nam, I'll go down and cut off his ears, string them up and wear them as a necklace. I saw a crazy special ops guy with a string of ears, yeah, gooks ears. Made me sick I tells ya. But, the right wingers are really something to dislike, as they can really have an influence on my life, Ya know, kill SS, Medicare, and all things social, go back to the dark ages where only the rich had any perks. I say, eat the rich, hell, it may be the only source of food in the near future, Soylent Green, I hear Human flesh tastes better than Kobi Beef, Who knows, we may get a chance to find out, like the Donner party. When all other sources of food cease to exist, I'm pretty sure I'll be looking over in richville for a side of Human, LOL. I hear the fat ones taste better, the lean ones are too tough.
 
abe23

abe23

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My point was that this is a really good documentary.

Do you have a point or are you just trying to start some shit. The only difference between you and Crackerjax is the flavor of your bullshit. Other than that you two have pretty much the same MO....
 
rollingarkansas

rollingarkansas

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I think it was good. Tea baggers as well as others in this country don't realize how good they actually have it. Or they are just too selfish and don't care and just want more and more and more.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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abe23 said:
This should be required viewing for all tea partiers, just to give them an idea of what actual tyranny is and what it looks like when you stand up to it.
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rollingarkansas said:
Tea baggers as well as others in this country don't realize how good they actually have it. Or they are just too selfish and don't care and just want more and more and more.
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i know y'all can't be so ignorant that you just don't get it. do you really think the wisest course is to wait until tyranny takes a firm hold and it is necessary to fight the forces of oppression in the streets or should we nip it in the bud, before its roots can dig deep into our society? when he can be seen coming from miles away, is it really wisest to wait until the enemy is at the gates before sounding the alarm? every free nation is ever under attack. not by any outside force, but by the corruption that grows within its own leaders and the complacency of its citizens. we can see this happening right now and we should all be aware of every step we take away from the liberties we take for granted. there will always be fools who cannot see the cliff's edge. there will always be those with the foresight to warn us away from it. instead of deriding those who raise the alarm we should be praising their diligence. we should at least be listening to their warnings and not merely dismissing them out of hand.

sure, we can wait until the force of government is so overpowering that our battle resembles the unrest of third world countries. we can wait until the moment our government is slaughtering us in the streets and imprisoning those that dare to speak out. we can sit there smugly, coming up with childish, derogatory terms for those who ring the bell and feeding off the handouts of a government run amok. we can wait or we can be forewarned and forearmed. we can rein in our would-be oppressors now or we can wait until burma is at our front door. don't think it can happen?
 
dukeofbaja

dukeofbaja

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I love it when someone starts their thoughts with 'I know y'all can't be so ignorant'....it makes everything that follows ring so much closer to home.

I don't think Burma will ever be at our front door. You make a valid point about stopping it before it gets in our faces, which is what Americans do.

Funny how folks weren't calling Romney a socialist, communist fuck when he told them they had to buy health insurance. But once a black dude says it, all hell breaks loose. What other freedoms have you lost, besides the freedom to gamble with your health? What tyrannies have you been oppressed by lately?

I want concrete examples.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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dukeofbaja said:
Funny how folks weren't calling Romney a socialist, communist fuck when he told them they had to buy health insurance. But once a black dude says it, all hell breaks loose. What other freedoms have you lost, besides the freedom to gamble with your health? What tyrannies have you been oppressed by lately?
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i'd say you just haven't been paying close enough attention. any government entity that demands the bounds of the constitution be stretched for the sake of its own agenda is an enemy of the people. i don't give a shit whether the bastard is white, black, brown or orange and i'm getting pretty damn sick of ass-hats that trot out that old chestnut to try and score points in an unwinnable game. i certainly don't care which of our utterly corrupted political parties they are from.

so you want to know how we are being oppressed? you've given the first example all by your precious little self. what right does government have to tell me how i must spend my money and how i am to live my life? you can say we all should have health insurance all you want, but making it mandatory is an abuse of power. while we're on the subject of my money (or anyone else's, for that matter), let's add the rampant expansion of the welfare state and its blatant wealth redistribution to the sins of big government run amok. how about adding the intrusion of governmental bureaucracy into the workings of america's major industries and the threats of increased taxation to pay for this green revolution that looks so good on paper, but is a major boondoggle in reality. after all - when the rights of any one of us are infringed upon, it lessens the importance of the rights of us all. i probably shouldn't bother to point to out the decades old war on drugs that this regime has done nothing to ease, but why not add that to the list. would you like me to go on? these and the myriad other intrusions over the decades are a symptom of freedom in decline. they may pale by comparison, but each little nudge brings us closer to burma and an orwellian nightmare.

i'm sure you don't feel that any of this is important enough or effects you directly enough to matter, but it is all about the rights of the individual to own himself, his property and the fruits of his labors. it is about the course a nation takes and the manner in which it get to where it's going. we've lost the game when we begin to believe that the end justifies the means.
 
rollingarkansas

rollingarkansas

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Fear is the biggest weapon a tyrannical government has! And you seem to be putting it on thick. Are you working for them? J/K LOL.
We see things differently, people who get shot in the street asking for better treatment, Journalists singled out for holding cameras. That's tyranny. Bitching because Obama bailed out the banks that all you were stupid enough to put your money in in the first place isn't.
Life is so rough with our college educations and suv's. Airconditioners and healthcare. Clean Water and food. No dead or starving children in the street and don't forget life without child soldiers is rough!
I'm a war vet, I served in Iraq from jun06' to aug 07'. Yep, I've been to Baghdad, have you? Stop bitching, America is great. Oh and being the leading mandator of human rights and a big participant in the U.N. (WHO CREATED GENEVA CONVENTIONS AND MANDATE ROE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT) I don't think this country is going to start slaughtering unarmed people in the street, plus 150,000,000 of us aren't unarmed.
 
rollingarkansas

rollingarkansas

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undertheice said:
i'd say you just haven't been paying close enough attention. any government entity that demands the bounds of the constitution be stretched for the sake of its own agenda is an enemy of the people. i don't give a shit whether the bastard is white, black, brown or orange and i'm getting pretty damn sick of ass-hats that trot out that old chestnut to try and score points in an unwinnable game. i certainly don't care which of our utterly corrupted political parties they are from.

so you want to know how we are being oppressed? you've given the first example all by your precious little self. what right does government have to tell me how i must spend my money and how i am to live my life? you can say we all should have health insurance all you want, but making it mandatory is an abuse of power. while we're on the subject of my money (or anyone else's, for that matter), let's add the rampant expansion of the welfare state and its blatant wealth redistribution to the sins of big government run amok. how about adding the intrusion of governmental bureaucracy into the workings of america's major industries and the threats of increased taxation to pay for this green revolution that looks so good on paper, but is a major boondoggle in reality. after all - when the rights of any one of us are infringed upon, it lessens the importance of the rights of us all. i probably shouldn't bother to point to out the decades old war on drugs that this regime has done nothing to ease, but why not add that to the list. would you like me to go on? these and the myriad other intrusions over the decades are a symptom of freedom in decline. they may pale by comparison, but each little nudge brings us closer to burma and an orwellian nightmare.

i'm sure you don't feel that any of this is important enough or effects you directly enough to matter, but it is all about the rights of the individual to own himself, his property and the fruits of his labors. it is about the course a nation takes and the manner in which it get to where it's going. we've lost the game when we begin to believe that the end justifies the means.
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Oh ok! Fuck it then! Anarchy! Lol.
 
undertheice

undertheice

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rollingarkansas said:
Oh ok! Fuck it then! Anarchy! Lol.
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that is the ultimate goal, as far as i'm concerned. a population with the resources, ethical grounding and will to govern themselves without a bureaucracy to hold their hands. our federal government was designed along minarchist lines and has only gotten greedier as time has gone by. gobbling up more and more responsibility for the destiny of its citizens, intruding further and further into the private sector.
 
dukeofbaja

dukeofbaja

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the rampant expansion of the welfare state and its blatant wealth redistribution to the sins of big government run amok
A concrete example would be something more like....passed Making Work Pay tax credit, redistributing $400 wealth to any American who worked in 2009...or like....stopped taxing the first $2,400 of unemployment insurance benefits, redistributing wealth to Americans struggling during a recession. If I wanted ridiculous hyperbole without a single concrete example, I would have asked for that instead.
the intrusion of governmental bureaucracy into the workings of america's major industries
Still not seeing a concrete example here. Not that 'governmental bureaucracy' didn't already 'intrude the workings of America's major industries' before January 2009. And I happen to like knowing that the paint I buy will not be filled with lead or that my insulation contains no asbestos, thank you very much.
the threats of increased taxation to pay for this green revolution
A 'threat of taxation' would be HYPOTHETICAL, not concrete. And by the way, yawn.
the decades old war on drugs that this regime has done nothing to ease
So Eric Holder didn't say anything about the whole medical marijuana issue? Not that raids don't still occur, but I would say that his statement is a concrete example of 'easing' at least one segment of the decades old war on drugs
 
rollingarkansas

rollingarkansas

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undertheice said:
that is the ultimate goal, as far as i'm concerned. a population with the resources, ethical grounding and will to govern themselves without a bureaucracy to hold their hands. our federal government was designed along minarchist lines and has only gotten greedier as time has gone by. gobbling up more and more responsibility for the destiny of its citizens, intruding further and further into the private sector.
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OK I totally respect the idea of that. Not necessarily an anarchy but a people who are one and utilize resources, and ethical grounding. One of the first things I discovered when serving in the U.S. Army Infantry is that there is always a dumbass in every group . People are individuals and will always be that way. The only reason soldiers come together as one is muscle memory training and me on their ass. My point is in my state alone there are 2.5 million people, different races, creeds, religions, backgrounds, legal status, income, assets, connections to other states and business'. Some like American Idol I hate it. You and I we disagree. 360 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WILL DO EXACTLY THAT, DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER. This country was designed for this purpose. The melting pot, people so diverse it undermines unity. I'm not saying diversity is bad. We can goto war, and protest it at the same time. Kinda like having your cake, and eating it too!
 
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