Bush Gets Away with Lies, Lies and More Lies in History-Illiterate America

ViRedd

New Member
Anyway you slice it, Water boarding ect, just because The Bush Administration says it's legal does not make it so.
Just the fact that the Current administration said it's legal and condones it should be grounds for a war crimes tribunal.
Wow, having the ignore feature has it's advantages, it allows me to concentrate on what's important and does not allow those who want to retard a discussion to get through.
What's really great about you using the ignore feature is not having to bother reading your personal attacks anymore. If you ever learn to debate politics in a rational manner, Dank, without resorting to hissy fits and foot stomping, you may learn something.

Vi
 

ViRedd

New Member
~lol~ ... Sometimes your sense of humor is pretty good. Not great, mind you ... but pretty good never the less.

Vi
 

ViRedd

New Member
i don't think you know what you're justifying, vi. It's completely evil. Period.
Here's a senerio for you clekstro:

A terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer has planted a bomb that is set to go off somewhere under the bleachers of the Super Bowl. The terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer has an accomplice who cannot be found. The accomplice has the timing devise that will set the bomb off. The captured terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer is the only person on the face of the earth who knows exactly where the accomplice is hiding with the timer. There's only 20 minutes left before the planned explosion will take place, and there is not enough time to evacuate the stadium. Tens of thousands of lives are at stake, perhaps even 80,000. You have a choice: 1. Appeal to the terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer's deep spirituality/morality to tell you the truth. 2. Force him through painful methods to tell you the truth. Which path would you take?

Vi

PS: No fair in assuming the stadium is filled with Raider's fans.
 

krime13

Well-Known Member
Torture ,unless it has been paid for with your mastercard, is against the constitution of the United States of America, end of story.
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Torture ,unless it has been paid for with your mastercard, is against the constitution of the United States of America, end of story.
It's also against the Geneva Convention and a whole bunch of international laws.
Not to mention that our president sanctioned it, it makes us (the United States) no better than Saddam was. It makes Our president no better than Hitler.
 

Chrisuperfly

Well-Known Member
Here's a senerio for you clekstro:

A terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer has planted a bomb that is set to go off somewhere under the bleachers of the Super Bowl. The terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer has an accomplice who cannot be found. The accomplice has the timing devise that will set the bomb off. The captured terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer is the only person on the face of the earth who knows exactly where the accomplice is hiding with the timer. There's only 20 minutes left before the planned explosion will take place, and there is not enough time to evacuate the stadium. Tens of thousands of lives are at stake, perhaps even 80,000. You have a choice: 1. Appeal to the terrorist/insurgent/Hillary-backer's deep spirituality/morality to tell you the truth. 2. Force him through painful methods to tell you the truth. Which path would you take?

Vi

PS: No fair in assuming the stadium is filled with Raider's fans.
Fuckin A, jam a hot poker up his ass, in a pigpen, naked, with female spectators, and a car battery on his nut sack. :bigjoint:
 

clekstro

Well-Known Member
All of the talking heads that support something like torture do not actually support it; they support the idea of power that makes a President (or presidential candidate for that matter) say he would do anything for his country; and that appeals to neo-conservatives who have forgotten everything their party used to stand for.

I know, Vi, as I say this that it sounds untrue. They haven't forgotten it, because they vote for a republican party man that talks about small government; they just don't seem to give a shit that what he says is actually true.

Back to torture. What a sick human being it is that would immaturely write abuot a guy getting fire stuck up his ass; i personally don't find it very funny when I find out that my government sends people (not terrorists) to countries where their genitals are cut with razor blades beyond recognition without ever receiving beneficial information for it. That's something a regime like Saddam Hussein would have done, a regime worthy of REGIME CHANGE, right!?! You do-gooder lying hypocrit fucks!!!

There is no justification for that. Even in the case Vi described, torture is not even justifiable. It's sort of a last resort that everyone wants to hear their leaders talk about because they think having a bad human rights record makes you safer. Read anything about what real CIA people write about the benefits of torture, and you'll see it just like I do: unnecessary cruelty which degrades the reputation of the US with the world.
 

medicineman

New Member
Right, 95% of all torture is un-necessary as the guy being tortured will tell you whatever you want to hear. I mean come on, if they were cutting on your balls, wouldn't you lie and tell them you killed Kennedy for Christ sake. It's against the Geneva convention in the first place and secondly it sets a precedent for torture of our own troops. So lets say you have 300 prisoners. You'll have to torture all of them to find the truth and even then, if you don't have the guy that knows, it will all be for naught. Torture belongs in the dark ages, lets leave it there.
 

420demoneyes

Active Member
The Patriot act allows government to listen in on phone conversations from foreign sources who are suspected of terrorist activities. All other phone taps require that a warrant be sworn out. Those being held in Guantanamo are non-uniformed enemy combatants ... they have NO constitutional rights, nor do the Geneva Conventions apply. Documented "torture" at Abu Graib? Other than "water boarding," and sleep deprevation, what were the tortures?

Vi
what were the tortures? are you serious.. peace and love!
 
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