Cal mag def/ph/rust spot fungus? Ideas?

theslipperbandit said:

You gotta paint us a pic of ur setup pics would be dope

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There are old pics of it here. Right after the place was built and I took shots at start up and later when she was full....In the old place where magic happens.....I only take pics of plants.....

The one with the pics is 24/24/9 (I know odd ball size - the floor sits 1.5 feet below ground level). 2 rooms - bloom - veg. The veg houses the well and the heat/central ac. The bloom is all bloom. Dehuey, and Supplemental ac when needed......No ballasts in the grow rooms - everything is in the "attic" space.....Hood to ballast goes up and through the ceiling. The power to the timer comes down to the timer on the wall.....
Hood cooling is drawn from the "attic" space and exhausts back into it. This "preheats" the air in winter so no condensation in the lines. During warm months. The "attic" air is drawn out by a peak fan. Building is peak vented....Intake for the rooms are hepa filtered - NO MOLDS....and flow seal vented - same for exhausts- flow seal vented = nothing comes in when the exhaust is not running!

Did I color that enough?

Very colourful indeed. but the question was directed at the other gentleman

theslipperbandit said:

Or if u really deductivly deduced it's root bound wait till before a watering n prune or crunch on the roots with ur hands but I've never had these problems unless I've intentionally done it in wait for a fairy to land so I can flower at the same time.what ltr pot are you using? Sorry I'm Irish don't use American units of measurement so litres would be great and how long did you veg for?

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I am using a basic 5 gallon paint bucket I drilled a few good holes on the bottom it has excellent drainage .. yea I think the roots get bound really quick within a month it takes a week to start growth and gets a good foot of top growth then it root bounds again .. I trim a few inches on the bottom and when you take it out of the bucket some roots break in middle which is fine .. if I put in a bigger medium it is too hard to trim a root ball issue that is why I use no larger than a 5 gallon I have tried plastic bags but they are messy .. 5 gallons is about 20 liters lil less .. she is 4 foot only a cpl months of veg but my flower room is full that is why I am in a slight issue and I do not want them too tall .. I trim them growth is slow pretty sure it is the roots .. the roots are very healthy ..

theslipperbandit said:

Amd do it gently we don't wanna damage more than we need...I use 11ltr pots with endomycorrhizal from day one so it's nice n established with a long veg regularly feeding em carbs and I've never had rootbound issues..are you recycling your soil by any chance? If so you've to recharge the soil atm in actually having slight clawing from n tox (I add ground coffee to the compost for the mold and N) so I'm probably gonna buy some worms today from a fishing shop as those rascals ate up the coffee n not only ate it up nut also transports it lower into the medium. @ Dr who will my chemical ferts kill the worms once I've a cycle started or are there any precautions I can take cuz I'd nearly salvage the worms for the next cycle..this being my 6-7 cycle of using the same soil but I've added canna terra once in a while to encourage microbial activity as I don't usually feed for ages with cuttings or veg only foliar and the odd watering to encourage the roots to expand asap

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Yes and indoor composting and using some earthworms supercharging in a 5 gallon bucket properly I rotate scraps in the big load of dirt I usually keep most the cannabis leaves out of the soil ..

Dr. Who said:

This soil is a used soil?
What soil?
pH, possibly - several reasons.....talk about that after answers from you...



No - on both things. As long as you feed it what it needs....they should be fine......
I tried for shits and giggles to see how much I could get out of a 3 gallon pot and a good yielding plant that averages just over 2 zips per gallon when ran my way......I got 11.5 zips from the plant in a 3 gallon pot! (yes this was with organics - I just had to feed the hell out of it) It was a major bitch supporting it till it was done!
5 gallons is my smallest finishing pot and for these heavy yielders - 7 gals.



I'm still focusing on your soil.
Also list what you feed - when - how often and how much each time...LEAVE NOTHING OUT that you may add!
What is the pH of the feed solution, when you water?

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It was almost a half peat and outdoor soil that I baked properly sterilized and some miracle gro soil the miracle gro is well used past any of the miracle gro nutes they put in it .. my ph seems to stick around 6 usually when wet and buffers out to 7 as it dries .. I water it when the cpl inches dry on the top .. I ph it with a good shot prob maybe 20oz I got ph down but seem to have the same results with battery acid you know the refill tank not out of the battery lol .. I add 10 drops to about a gallon seems to work good I usually do that every other watering .. I have been adding about a tbs of dolomite lime every other watering .. I have been having pretty good results maybe better if I added 15ml to a gallon of ph water of that Terpinator for thc levels .. I add about 10ml.. only to my flowering plants half way through to the end prob add nothing on a week or so of flush I am prob pretty close to my flush .. I just started composting .. I have always used unsul molasses for microbes maybe my soil is weak your thinking?? When they mature they need a lot more?? I have no idea why they grow good and the roots are nice and white until they fill the medium idk .. My humidity ranges from 40 to mid 50s depending on rain outside .. I got a dehumidifier running right now I do not want those buds moist .. it is spring time now and I leave the windows open I do not know if it will dry much I can't be running that thing too much .. expensive to run .. black spot lightly seems to hit my newer plants about this time of the yr the older plants and flowering plants seem uneffected .. why am I having no issues deep in flower the buds are going fine but veg I have issues?? Has to be the roots bottoming out??

theslipperbandit said:

Don't go just by trics, u want bud density n hairs receding..the trics n hairs can be deceitful with some strains but a whole pic of the plant n well give u an idea but I'm with Dr who here a week maybe more,have u used pk yet?

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Yea the fox farms trio and Terpinator for thc glands and taste .. my buds and flowering seem to be ok .. the roots slow down and stop growth late in flower correct no leaf issues .. has to be the medium and roots or something more recharged soil but the roots grow quick and nice and white so the soil must be OK . ?

OK I pulled the plants out of the pots the worst plant guess what I found with the roots I found wide range in the middle the root bounding after I pulled it out of the 2 some gallon the roots grew around the edges filled bottom of 5 gallon and rooted up to the root bound area it filled everything .. but not many roots broke through the root bound middle up by the 2 gallon zone any ideas why it did not break through that is why half of the roots just ripped off I crushed up the root bound area re-potted?? The healthier plant showing slight symptoms not soo bound but fully filled pot solid roots .. this plant in moist area on the edges has a few white mold white fungus they are round on a few spots but not deep in the roots just around the edges here and there that must be normal just from moisture before prob they are not overly moist anymore?? This root bounding knot must be a main reason why this one looks the worst any ideas why roots did not break through that?? Prob slight same o issue with the rest..re-used soil?? So yea shows nutrient issues due to roots .. soil must be fine the newest plant is 2 feet high looking just fine the nodes should get tighter closer she gets to the mh bulb .. also can I add earthworms to my mediums to eat up dead organic material maybe I have no enzymes or money atm thanks??

I'm on my 6-7 cycle of the same soil adding coffee beans rusk after me morning coffee but not so much anymore n endomycorrhizal n a bit of canna boost n trace elements and. When she wants something she'll tell me but the endomycorrhizal should help get to hard to reach places.
If u ripped it in half she'll be stressed to fuck I said wait for the pot to dry n gently massage the roots lol they should be grand but don't expect any results within the week

Mmm. Indoor composting - outdoor soil added but sterilized by baking. Some old MG soil....

No steer/cow manure added.
No EWC added (some worms in compost? or pot?)

You got no real running living bio's in that soil to do shit!
May be a weak soil due to it not doing shit while "composting"..Composting with little to no bio's - won't compost shit!
What are you putting in to add nutrient?

Lastly, Why the hell are you "flushing"?

Your root theories are not the issue......

I think you should focus on building fresh soil first.
I suggest you read Teaming with Microbes also.

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/easy-organic-soil-mix-for-beginners.1116550/

https://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microbes-Organic-Gardeners-Revised/dp/1604691131/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0/134-4373536-6472954?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QH754760E2TW5MG1JXTR

Dr. Who said:

Mmm. Indoor composting - outdoor soil added but sterilized by baking. Some old MG soil....

No steer/cow manure added.
No EWC added (some worms in compost? or pot?)

You got no real running living bio's in that soil to do shit!
May be a weak soil due to it not doing shit while "composting"..Composting with little to no bio's - won't compost shit!
What are you putting in to add nutrient?

Lastly, Why the hell are you "flushing"?

Your root theories are not the issue......

I think you should focus on building fresh soil first.
I suggest you read Teaming with Microbes also.

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/easy-organic-soil-mix-for-beginners.1116550/

https://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microbes-Organic-Gardeners-Revised/dp/1604691131/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0/134-4373536-6472954?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QH754760E2TW5MG1JXTR

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Well I flush after flowering stage is done that is it with flushing. I just started using live earthworms, sterilized manure humus, and all the right stuff and moisture added to the compost. I used the soil a good yr before adding anything just nutes and castings and trio no miracle gro anymore. Why did no roots grow through break through the root bound region? Not normal? Thinking the soil is just weak that why the roots did not break through that? Can I add a handful of live earthworms to each pot what can I do at this point?? The 2 footer seems to be growing good so not sure .. I have always used unsulph molasses and good ferts recently got the dolomite and manure ..

Manure should not be "sterilized" - just composted.

I'm kinda lost - root bound region? Are you doing no till?

I'm not a fan of molasses! That's for making teas! Bio teas - AACT....

Dr. Who said:

Manure should not be "sterilized" - just composted.

I'm kinda lost - root bound region? Are you doing no till?

I'm not a fan of molasses! That's for making teas! Bio teas - AACT....

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Ok you know when you transplant the bottom of the plant shows the knotted flat roots?? Well usually they break through everywhere without me doing anything just straight transplanting into a bigger bucket but this time the roots grew around the edges but for some reason no roots broke through the middle maybe it was root bound enough where new roots did not penetrate that could cause an issue right? You do not have to trim those required do you or break roots on bottom?? I just sterilize outdoor dirt pretty much IF I ever use it. The manure is peat and humus based cheap stuff I do nothing with that.

Dr. Who said:

Mmm. Indoor composting - outdoor soil added but sterilized by baking. Some old MG soil....

No steer/cow manure added.
No EWC added (some worms in compost? or pot?)

You got no real running living bio's in that soil to do shit!
May be a weak soil due to it not doing shit while "composting"..Composting with little to no bio's - won't compost shit!
What are you putting in to add nutrient?

Lastly, Why the hell are you "flushing"?

Your root theories are not the issue......

I think you should focus on building fresh soil first.
I suggest you read Teaming with Microbes also.

https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/easy-organic-soil-mix-for-beginners.1116550/

https://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microbes-Organic-Gardeners-Revised/dp/1604691131/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_t_0/134-4373536-6472954?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=QH754760E2TW5MG1JXTR

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I don't flush in every potting I add a bit of fresh canna terra to the mix n. Give some mono trace coffee beans n worms sorry thought u were talking to me.

lol

King Daddy G said:

Ok you know when you transplant the bottom of the plant shows the knotted flat roots?? Well usually they break through everywhere without me doing anything just straight transplanting into a bigger bucket but this time the roots grew around the edges but for some reason no roots broke through the middle maybe it was root bound enough where new roots did not penetrate that could cause an issue right? You do not have to trim those required do you or break roots on bottom?? I just sterilize outdoor dirt pretty much IF I ever use it. The manure is peat and humus based cheap stuff I do nothing with that.

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In commercial ops for many "rootbound at transplant" plants (used to do this in greenhouses) you pull the plant from the pot, flip it over and with a sharp knife, make cuts in the roots at 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 o:clock and re-pot. (With flat bottom pots - simply run the knife from 12 to 6 and 9 to 3.)

I find it easier to simply transplant to the next pot just as they start to coil and not let them go beyond that much......You'll get the hang of when by"sight" with practice.

Dr. Who said:

In commercial ops for many "rootbound at transplant" plants (used to do this in greenhouses) you pull the plant from the pot, flip it over and with a sharp knife, make cuts in the roots at 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 o:clock and re-pot. (With flat bottom pots - simply run the knife from 12 to 6 and 9 to 3.)

I find it easier to simply transplant to the next pot just as they start to coil and not let them go beyond that much......You'll get the hang of when by"sight" with practice.

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Again the Dr has spoken, far less stress than gently messaging the root ball but docs methods less stress

Dr. Who said:

In commercial ops for many "rootbound at transplant" plants (used to do this in greenhouses) you pull the plant from the pot, flip it over and with a sharp knife, make cuts in the roots at 12 - 3 - 6 - 9 o:clock and re-pot. (With flat bottom pots - simply run the knife from 12 to 6 and 9 to 3.)

I find it easier to simply transplant to the next pot just as they start to coil and not let them go beyond that much......You'll get the hang of when by"sight" with practice.

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What do you think??

And found your post on Terpinator better alt.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/terpinator-during-flush.881516/

And water flushing you do not need to do that just cut off your phosphorus potassium heavy loads to zero last week or so??

theslipperbandit said:

Again the Dr has spoken, far less stress than gently messaging the root ball but docs methods less stress

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I found a lil black spot fungus on a few small leaves in flower looks like it is staying off the bud it is due to moisture is a lil higher it is about spring time lil more rain, my moisture stays in the 40s most the time I sprayed a toothbrush lightly combed out the disease with the ortho would that be ok on the buds if it splashed em a lil?? I do not want that fungus in there either. I found a few two spotted spidermites sprayed them with a lil Floramite killed them may have splashed the buds a lil too I picked off everything I could see.. will either of these effect much can I rinse them with fresh water before I cure, thanks?

U sure it's not just a Calmag issue,have u looked at the spots under a magnificent glass? I'd love to see a pic

If it definitely is black spots you probably have an infestation but use ur magnifier to make sure then use non toxic pesticide n after this crop black ur tent n bleach ur buckets n don't recycle that soil but don't throw em out try some neem oil first or u can buy predators for Those infestation if ur anti pesticides think u can get em online