Can soil compete with hydro yields? Please read

Tim Fox said:

i would ask you,, If a person puts air stones in thier SIP res,, then that is exaclty like DWC,, roots in a res with air stones,, Right ?

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Yea i did that with my sip , it worked way better. But i doubt it will grow as fast as my water farm with synthetic nutrients, i just think the salts make a bigger plant and you can't really feed salts the same in the SIP as the RDWC/DWC system.

meangreengrowinmachine said:

I have been thinking about trying this out next round with a scrog and a few 27 gallon SIPs , I have been looking into them and heard a few folks mention them but havent seen a journal or anything in depth.. if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be awesome!

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here is the sip thread my friend
https://www.rollitup.org/t/sip-thread-sub-irrigated-planter.904886/
@meangreengrowinmachine

Tim Fox said:

a feast for the eyes,, is that soil,, is that hydro,, nope,, its a sipView attachment 3873129

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So it's basically a pot of dirt on top of a pot of water with a wick that moves moisture between them?

Chunky Stool said:

So it's basically a pot of dirt on top of a pot of water with a wick that moves moisture between them?

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Yea, i got mine from home depot, it wicks water up from a rez and keeps the soil moist at all times, and the plant dangles into the rez, uses a lot of water. You cover the top so no evaporation.

Chunky Stool said:

So it's basically a pot of dirt on top of a pot of water with a wick that moves moisture between them?

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after a while the plant puts down deep water roots, and the roots take over the RES,, just like a DWC does, so the water roots drink, and the roots in the dirt, eat,,
Yoda is right, there is also a wick action, i prefer to purchase my sip already built, that way the wick sizing has already been tested out,, but there are plans in the sip thread, that show buidling all kinds of them

Yodaweed said:

Yea i did that with my sip , it worked way better. But i doubt it will grow as fast as my water farm with synthetic nutrients, i just think the salts make a bigger plant and you can't really feed salts the same in the SIP as the RDWC/DWC system.

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Plenty of people ad nutes to thier RES,, i was adding liquid nutes to my res this grow,, along with cal mag straight to the res

Tim Fox said:

Plenty of people ad nutes to thier RES,, i was adding liquid nutes to my res this grow,, along with cal mag straight to the res

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Nice, i just add some grokashi and it works good. Hygrozyme also works good but its pricey . I still doubt you can get the same yield as one could in my rdwc system . And if you are adding salts to your water you are basically just growing in a ghetto dwc system.

Yodaweed said:

Nice, i just add some grokashi and it works good. Hygrozyme also works good but its pricey . I still doubt you can get the same yield as one could in my rdwc system . And if you are adding salts to your water you are basically just growing in a ghetto dwc system.

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Ghetto rocks,, lol nah no salts for me, i have a few bags of salts nutes i need to give away

Tim Fox said:

here is the sip thread my friend
https://www.rollitup.org/t/sip-thread-sub-irrigated-planter.904886/
@meangreengrowinmachine

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Awesome! thank you!

Organic, non organic. A molecule is a molecule. A nitrate from an organic source is the same from an inorganic. I hate to bash the novelty and pride people feel growing organic but there isn't any proof it's better as far as potency, nutrient density, or chemistry. You may like the taste of soil or organic soil over hydro buts it's just opinion. Like chocolate vs vanilla.

Nirod said:

Organic, non organic. A molecule is a molecule. A nitrate from an organic source is the same from an inorganic. I hate to bash the novelty and pride people feel growing organic but there isn't any proof it's better as far as potency, nutrient density, or chemistry. You may like the taste of soil or organic soil over hydro buts it's just opinion. Like chocolate vs vanilla.

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It's all moonshine, it will get you drunk

Hey man do as you will I'm not telling you how to grow duder

Organic tends to taste better and even have higher potency because of the vast array of trace elements available to the plant.

Testing in legal markets has begun on trace elements and their effect on cannabanoids and terpenes.

Hydro growers of quality have been adding organic inputs for the same effect for some time.

Hydro store products like pure blend tea and florolicious are designed to add humic acid, seaweed and such in a fully soluble form.

Nirod said:

Organic, non organic. A molecule is a molecule. A nitrate from an organic source is the same from an inorganic. I hate to bash the novelty and pride people feel growing organic but there isn't any proof it's better as far as potency, nutrient density, or chemistry. You may like the taste of soil or organic soil over hydro buts it's just opinion. Like chocolate vs vanilla.

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I disagree as stated before. This is just more generalization, missing the bigger picture

Rrog said:

I disagree as stated before. This is just more generalization, missing the bigger picture

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You keep disagreeing, but that doesn't actually mean anything, or add anything. Organic is great an if that's how you wanna grow cool, but it doesn't change science or facts of how plants grow.

growingforfun said:

You keep disagreeing, but that doesn't actually mean anything, or add anything. Organic is great an if that's how you wanna grow cool, but it doesn't change science or facts of how plants grow.

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I agree. You are not being scientifically accurate is the issue.

Rrog said:

I agree. You are not being scientifically accurate is the issue.

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Your opinion is that only organic nutrients can make good tasting, potent buds, on healthy plants.

That's just ridiculous.

Maybe you haven't experienced chemical nutrients used correctly, but that's just a lack of experience on your part.

I am confused on the initial question by the OP. I have seen plenty of 10' outdoor plants grown in soil that yields pounds per plant. I have never seen anything close to that in hydro. What is your tool of measurement? I am guessing Time?

I'm not discussing taste or health. I'm saying that your atomic characterization of both systems being the same is in error.

While a molecule is certainly a molecule, it's all about how the plant got the molecule. If it was provided naturally by microbial action, then you've included the microbes in the deal and you get all the benefits associated with this relationship. Increased immune response, resistance to insect predation, full nutritional interaction, etc.

When the molecule is provided by a bottle-fed routine, you have removed the role of the microbe, and you've removed their benefits as well.

MissyGoddess said:

I am confused on the initial question by the OP. I have seen plenty of 10' outdoor plants grown in soil that yields pounds per plant. I have never seen anything close to that in hydro. What is your tool of measurement? I am guessing Time?

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This is the indoor gardening section so I'm assuming that it's talking about: "I'm pondering whether a dense SOG (4 plants per sqft), grown in soil, and flipped to flower after the clones root could compete with hydro yields. Basically, I would be making up for the low soil yields by cramming in a bunch of fast flowering indicas. What are your thoughts?"

In the space of his tables can he cram enough plants into a space to make up for the decrease in yield going from hydro to soil.

Then the convo changed into hydro is evil and can't grow plants and only organics grow stuff