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BigHornBuds

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Hey RIU
I make a lot of oil for eating & smoking and I’m always looking for a better way.
I’ve been reading a lot of chemistry books and want to start washing my oil with petroleum either.
Does anyone else do this ? Or can someone link up the rules regarding changing my meds from one form to another?
I’ve found a Canadian company that sells it, but what’s the rules on this?
As far as I can see, I’m legal to do this?
And it’s legal to buy?
Does anyone else do this step?
Does anyone go to the next step (isomer)(acetate) ?

Thanks for any insight
 

Farmer.J

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If you want the best ether, try to find a supplier that sells reagent grade petroleum ether. I have never used it before, Rick Simpson recommend it on run from the cure. Coleman's "white gas", for example, is a sub par grade of petroleum ether and it has other contaminants in it.
 

gb123

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in the processing system of making these solvents you get myster oils..No way around it really.
Nbutain is clean as it has to be but can still contain an oil as well and should be purged out or distilled right off the hop.
IPA removes the same amount of meds as Butane and is much safer. Purging is easy but rules have to be followed for a good product.
TRY A PRESS no solvents. (: The cost of my press will be paid for in only a few pounds of meds being washed.
Im Pressing the same amount of meds I get from washing with IPA (80% return).
70 to 80 grams a pound. so far no complaints...
 
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gb123

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Rosin-Tech: What Do The Labs Have To Say?



As Rosin-tech sweeps the United States of Dabs, leaving every stoner’s buds flat and their sisters flummoxed as to why their hair smells like pot after straightening out their curls, HIGH TIMES has collected enough samples in its Cannabis Cups to make some real determinations about what rosin really has to offer. Sit down, squish a few buds and check out what science has to say about the rosin you know and dab.

For those who may not be familiar with rosin, don’t worry; the concept of rosin is much simpler to explain and understand than butane hash oil, or of course, super-critical fluid extraction hash oil. Rosin-tech involves the use of a hair-straightener to press cannabis oil right out of a bud or piece of hash stuck in a piece of folded parchment paper. Heat and pressure melt and push the oil right out of its natural location, the trichome. To really get a feel for the original rosin technique, check out this step-by-step.

Rosin quickly gained popularity for its ability to turn less-than 5 Star dry-sift into pristine, full-melt dabs at an acceptable yield. In California people are practically wading in hash deemed by the connoisseurs to be less than desirable, yet the real crème-de-la-crème is so volatile it pretty much dabs itself. California’s abundance of hash is coupled with its abundance of flower, and it didn’t take long for even the first rosin-maker to put a nug between some parchment paper and squish it (I’m talking about a timeframe of minutes).

Between the past few Cannabis Cups, HIGH TIMES has amassed a sizeable sample pool of rosin entries. Rosin averaged with an average THCTOTAL content of 76 percent. For comparison, other non-solvent hashes (bubble or dry-sift) from the same Cups average at 69 percent THCTOTAL, while BHO dabs averaged at 75 percent.

When it comes to terpenes, rosin entries had an average of 0.66 percent terpenoids by mass. Other non-solvent hashes average at 0.75 percent terpenoids, and solvent-extracted oil took the cake with 0.77 percent.

We know what you’re thinking about the 0.77 percent average of the BHO terps: one (or a few) of those solvent-extracted entries are reconstituted with outside terpenes (cannabis or not), inflating the average. You’d be wrong thinking that, all the entries were laid out on a table to observe any outliers and assure they didn’t skew the average. As it turns out, no outliers existed and all of them were perfectly compliant with Cannabis Cup rules and regulations.

To measure the amount of decarboxylated THC, I devised the “decarboxylation percentage,” defined as the percentage THC / percentage THCA multiplied by 100. BHO entries had an average of 2.7 percent (for example, a median entry has 2.1 percent THC and 85.5 percent THC). Non-solvent hashes had an average of 6.6 percent, and rosin had an average of 19.3 percent, significantly higher than that of the other two methods.

Obviously, the heat involved in pressing the rosin decarboxylates some of the THC, although it’s interesting to note that these decarboxylation percentages improved as time went on, people got better at making rosin!

By using more pressure and less heat, extract artists have been able to make rosin with a higher ratio of THCA to THC, why is this better? THCA is a solid, THC is a runny, sticky oil. Extracts with lower percent decarboxylation handle much more easily, giving a more manageable and desirable product.

All in all, rosin has incredible lab results given the simplicity of the method. For all you home extract artists, you don’t need a closed-loop system and a static-free room with an air-exchange per minute to make good oil safely. Heck, you don’t even really need a professionally made rosin press, just grab some parchment paper and the cheapest hair straightener you can find and you’ll be making dabs on dabs.

photo: Lochfoot
 

BigHornBuds

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What's wrong with what you're doing now? I wouldn't use petroleum anything.
I think I make a really good oil, but my tolerance is stupid high. I can not get high from eating it, I can eat a gram n it does nothing for a buzz, but it does take the pain away better then an Advil. If my wife tried to take a douse like that she would be done for the day. The other person I made meds for can handle about 3x what my wife can, but a g would be lights out. I would like to have something for me that will do that.
 

BigHornBuds

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If you want the best ether, try to find a supplier that sells reagent grade petroleum ether. I have never used it before, Rick Simpson recommend it on run from the cure. Coleman's "white gas", for example, is a sub par grade of petroleum ether and it has other contaminants in it.
I will only be sourcing out the purest,
After all I’m the one ingesting it.
 

BigHornBuds

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in the processing system of making these solvents you get myster oils..No way around it really.
Nbutain is clean as it has to be but can still contain an oil as well and should be purged out or distilled right off the hop.
IPA removes the same amount of meds as Butane and is much safer. Purging is easy but rules have to be followed for a good product.
TRY A PRESS no solvents. (: The cost of my press will be paid for in only a few pounds of meds being washed.
Im Pressing the same amount of meds I get from washing with IPA (80% return).
70 to 80 grams a pound. so far no complaints...
Ive been watching your press thread, and it made the to do list for sure.
I don’t hear of people eating rosin tho, for medical reasons. I grow for two people and myself, 1 doesn’t smoking anything, my wife will only very rarely smoke if her head is hurting really bad, prefers to eat, I’m the only real smoker. So I’m just always working on better for us.
It’s nice to have a verity of different things , also I’m making it to make old school hash to have a hash I can smoke during the day.
I can’t smoke my bubble hash n do anything
I have all the gear to vac purge BHO but I don’t like tane, because it’s a lot of work removing it . So I very rarely make BHO or shatter.
 

gb123

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check out the DIY thread.. I decarbed the low temp Rosin..
It was easy enough....and yes it surely made a difference.

I notice my oil made with IPA has a wee bit better taste...purged well in a vac chamber of course. It comes out like shatter anyway. Only washed bud for three minutes.
Hope that helps.
Taine and or IPA 99% remove the same amounts..

It all depends on what you want it for ... and how you plan on dealing with it
 

Anothermeduser

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Another option ive been reading on is food grade 99% alcohol, seems like having a good still and being able to provide your distillant your self might be a healthy way to go, makes a nice shatter and nothing harmfull to injest if not purged as its all foodsafe already. Premium way to make a full plant medical oil.
 

Farmer.J

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Another option ive been reading on is food grade 99% alcohol, seems like having a good still and being able to provide your distillant your self might be a healthy way to go, makes a nice shatter and nothing harmfull to injest if not purged as its all foodsafe already. Premium way to make a full plant medical oil.
So would 96% 192 proof ever clear be not as good as 99% IPA? I bought a 750ml bottle yesterday, going to make oil out of a couple oz sugar trim.
 

gb123

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Ontario sells shit. Nothing over 40% as far as I know..
Have a friend who makes 93% but purging off that stuff with out keeping it is expensive.
Making ISO or BHO or anything with solvent is going to be an issue it seems..
Not that it has ever mattered much really. lol
when I first made oil after getting colon cancer, I tried white gas like RS said to use. I went out of my way to find some.
It still stunk like gas after it was purged :shock:
 
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BigHornBuds

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Another option ive been reading on is food grade 99% alcohol, seems like having a good still and being able to provide your distillant your self might be a healthy way to go, makes a nice shatter and nothing harmfull to injest if not purged as its all foodsafe already. Premium way to make a full plant medical oil.
I think your thinking of culinary solvent


I do run a still and recover most of it back
Of what ever I’m running ....
The either makes what ever solvent used for washing not important, because the either rewashes it again.
The either is not like running normal alcohol
It’s very dangerous with a boiling point of 30
That’s why you wash it with alcohol 1st then run either at 10-1 that way your only using
100 grams of either per 10 g of oil.
 

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BigHornBuds

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So would 96% 192 proof ever clear be not as good as 99% IPA? I bought a 750ml bottle yesterday, going to make oil out of a couple oz sugar trim.
You can use it to make oil,
The problem with it is that it contains water
It will bring out non physoactive parts of the plant. I like iso or methanol better .
 

gb123

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water soluble green parts ;) and is why you freeze IPA 99%
and why are you doing this again?
 

BigHornBuds

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water soluble green parts ;) and is why you freeze IPA 99%
and why are you doing this again?
Read the book
It explains a lot , I’m looking to make myself the strongest oil I can . I don’t plan on giving it to anyone.
And I like science experiments , figured I’d build one n see what happens.

I got a couple grams of oil made with 2 different solvents, and after I make it this new way,
I plan on having it all lab texted and then I can run numbers and do the math,
 

Farmer.J

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I'm in the process of making oil with the 96% ever clear. The 750ml was just barely enough to do 2 oz dry frozen trim. It cost $37 for the bottle, I could get a gallon 99% IPA for that much. Probably use it next time, never tried ever clear before.
 
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