Capitalism and health care

medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
so you don't want the poor to have good jobs and actually earn money to take care of their family? you don't want the people who want to help the poor to be able to do so? you would rather have government programs waste money that could be used to help people that are poor? i see who your idol is, he's holding a hammer and sickle in each hand and he wants everyone to worship the government.

that socialized pandering piece of crap law was nothing but an obstacle to the many state and private programs that are already being developed.

anyway, those who wouldn't give a cent are entitled to do so, med. that's what you don't get. forcing people to give money away is theft.

here's another fact for you: government is not supposed to be there for people, people are supposed to be there for people. you have been assimilated by the borg. i want to help the poor, get the government out of the way!




as a society we owe dignity to those who are poor because of circumstances beyond their control. you can't put a dollar amount on that but it would consist of allowing private charities more room to assist the people that need help. there are so many hoops and hassles created by our gargantuan federal government that it's hard to help them.

we all witnessed the fiasco in the news not long ago when it literally took an act of congress to let a charity give money to the widows of dead miners. how sad that really is, and just think of the damage that event did to all private charities.





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Your phobia about Government is way beyond reason. Charities would never replace the governments help programs. Think 1900 london, where kids lived off of dead rats, were forced to work in slave like environs, and people were starving and had nothing, while the elites feasted every day. That is the reality of taking government out of the helping people business. Did you get food poisening from some government Cheeze or something, you are really afraid of government. Don't label me a commie, communism is a wonderful way of life, it just will never work because of peoples greed, knowing that, I am not a commie, I would like to see a real commune of gentile people work as a society, but it will never happen. Capitalism is here to stay, you can relax. As a society, Capitalism has no conscience, it's a run what you brung kind of life, if you haven't much to bring, you don't get many returns. Capitalism favors the rich in every context. Jesus would not be a capitalist. That is what freaks me out with you Jesus freaks that are so anti-poor, hey just admit it, you are not really Christians, Just hypocrites or faux Cristians. Just ask yourselves: "What would Jesus do"?
 
7xstall

7xstall

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i am afraid of government. i see them kicking in doors and shooting people and burning people and bombing people and freezing money and exposing people to radiation, and testing vaccines on people and forcing me to work harder to pay for more and more of their screw-ups while they are trying to pass more and more legislation to force me to pay for more!

they are ineffective buffoons running around with loaded guns and living on a gluttonous diet of our cash.

those people are not fit to touch health care or help the poor.






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medicineman

medicineman

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7xstall said:
i am afraid of government. i see them kicking in doors and shooting people and burning people and bombing people and freezing money and exposing people to radiation, and testing vaccines on people and forcing me to work harder to pay for more and more of their screw-ups while they are trying to pass more and more legislation to force me to pay for more!

they are ineffective buffoons running around with loaded guns and living on a gluttonous diet of our cash.

those people are not fit to touch health care or help the poor.






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There are good and bad in everything. There is a lot of bad in government, don't lable me a government fan as government exists today. There is a place for government and I believe like all the other first world countries, that health care is one. Police state tactics and endless war is not. to me those are the bad in government, the good is the helping people part, a leveling of the playing field so to speak. Why should some people be born into a life of power and greed while others have to scrabble for scraps. This is not a just society. If you are really of moral and conscience responsibility, then bringing about a more level society should be high on your list. Education has freed millions, but now the corporations are bringing foriegners in to do the jobs for less, basically negating the education process. what is the good in getting an engineering degree when a corporation will hire an Indian engineer for 1/2 price. This is resonating to every technical field. Greed is running rampant.
 
7xstall

7xstall

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we are all level when no one is telling us what to do. every man has infinite possibility, infinite contributions. government can not make the world a safe and happy place all the time, that's our job, let's get to work.






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ViRedd

ViRedd

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medicineman said:
why do you do that kind of shit? don't you ever get tired of disrespecting yourself?
Are you fucking insane? the only person I'm disrespecting here is VI. He constantly posts how he is making money hand over fist, yet contends the poor are a bunch of lazy bastards, and deserve no help from him. It is that kind of mind set that I disrespect, and with that drivel you just posted, my respect for you is waning.
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You know what's odd about this post? I have never said that I'm making money hand over fist ... you have only assumed so, Med. And, I've never said that the poor don't deserve my help either. I've only said that government isn't the vehicle that I'd choose for charity, and that I'd opt for private charity over government handouts every time.

Your problem lies with your class envy mentality, Med. Guys like you always assume that those who prefer to keep their charity private are all rich assholes ... and greedy to boot. Like most of those on the far Left, you are blinded by your envy, jealousy and greed for the unearned.

Vi
 
medicineman

medicineman

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ViRedd said:
You know what's odd about this post? I have never said that I'm making money hand over fist ... you have only assumed so, Med. And, I've never said that the poor don't deserve my help either. I've only said that government isn't the vehicle that I'd choose for charity, and that I'd opt for private charity over government handouts every time.

Your problem lies with your class envy mentality, Med. Guys like you always assume that those who prefer to keep their charity private are all rich assholes ... and greedy to boot. Like most of those on the far Left, you are blinded by your envy, jealousy and greed for the unearned.

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I guess you are right, I'm just a greedy asshole that wants more government cheese, free medical for all and a real say in governance. Making the rich pay a higher portion of their income than the poor makes sense to me, while curbing the power of elites and corporations is paramount. Stopping endless war and taking care of our own citizens must make me a dirty commie asshole, heaven knows we wouldn't want to cheat war profiteers, and the killing of our young men and women in the service must be a badge of courage for the elites that never saw a day of service. Why do I see this as insanity and you see this as the status quo. could you possibly be wrong? No I didn't think so, just carry on with this neo-con insanity so your precious tax cuts will hold. You are the enemy, class warfare has begun.
 
silk

silk

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medicineman said:
A Crisis of Capitalism?

Bogle calls this a "national disgrace," contending that:
"There are some things that must be entrusted to government and some things that must be entrusted to private enterprise. "
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Do you agree?
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I agree, however I don't think that specifically applies to health care. People that can afford the premium will get great care and the people that have limited funds will suffer from this bottom feeding. You can find this in education, penal system, food services and transportation (just to name a few).
 
medicineman

medicineman

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silk said:
I agree, however I don't think that specifically applies to health care. People that can afford the premium will get great care and the people that have limited funds will suffer from this bottom feeding. You can find this in education, penal system, food services and transportation (just to name a few).
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Is some medical better than none? Doctors are held to a higher standard than the rest of us, the hypocratic oath. Do no harm is the primary premise of this oath. There are good doctors that care for people, and then there are the plastic surgeons in Beverly Hills that obviously are in it for the money. I've seen both kinds of Dr.s in my visits, they are easy to spot. In my medical system VA, they are more oriented towards the patient as they don't make all that much. I believe the general physcians make between 85 and 150K a year, whereas a beverly hills plastic surgeon, makes that in a month. I say, let the rich pay through the nose for the premium dr.s, there arent that many rich people, so there will be plenty of good dr.s left for the rest of us. All those Dr.s that now work for the HMOs, will be working for the government and probably be making more. Take out the middle men (HMOs and Insurance co.s) and there would be plenty of money to pay Dr.s, trouble is, getting this past congress that lives on the payolla from these two entities.
 
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