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Clean Clones

Discussion in 'Hydroponics / Aeroponics' started by Rahz, Jan 1, 2018.

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    dstroy

    dstroy Well-Known Member

    I hope you find something that works for you, sounds really frustrating what you're going through.
     
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    firsttimeARE

    firsttimeARE Well-Known Member

    Is there a trick to healthy clones? By the time they root they are usually very nutrient deficient.

    Is 0.8EC enough for them?
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    I’ve been having better luck after recently switching to very low intensity lighting. 2 weeks some have roots most don’t because they were cuts from 3.5 weeks into flower and everything is still green as can be.
     
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    firsttimeARE

    firsttimeARE Well-Known Member

    That's interesting cause I'm using a 2 tube 4 ft t5ho this time and feel they are worse off. Then again the plant I took them from started having issues after cutting so I'm sure it wasn't 100 % at time of cutting. My clones always root slower in the winter. Warm water in the 90s I get roots in as little as 4 days. I'm feeling like the health of the plant prior to cutting is the biggest factor in clones health. I wanna try a sog with 1-2 week from clone which is why I'm asking.
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member

    i am fighting a root rot problem in my dwc veg area. so far i haven't lost any seedlings or clones, but it has not been pretty.

    i am currently adding 100ml of H202 to 5 gallon reservoirs every 24 hrs. may need to bump up the dosage, as plants don't seem to be sprouting new roots yet, just hanging on.

    i am also foliar feeding to help.

    i collect rain water and have noticed algae in my tanks. added bromine tablet to those to clean my tanks up.

    ongoing battle :cuss:
     
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    Rahz

    Rahz Well-Known Member Rollitup Advertiser

    Higher humidity and less light intensity help prevent early burnout. Ideal temps reduces rooting time and also amount of work required by the plant. Most accounts suggest clones root fine in a nutrient solution but there's nothing I've read indicating it's better (faster) than using plain water. I've read anecdotal evidence suggesting RO or distilled water without a mineral supplement wasn't ideal. Whether that's true I don't know but kinda makes sense that at least some level of nutrients in the media would encourage rooting.

    Curious what media do you root/germinate in?

    I'm currently simmering a water pump along with a few elbows and net cups. I'll get back on whether the pump works afterwards. I took the tub and rinsed it out well, added a cup of bleach and used a paper towel to keep the surfaces wet for about 15 minutes. Removed the bleach and repeated the process with phosphoric acid and then ammonia. The chiller has been replaced with the one I have soaked in 30,000ppm sodium hypochlorite for the last week. I'm thinking I'll be good if I can get some clean clones in there.
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member

    rockwool cubes, got any tips for me?
     
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    Rahz

    Rahz Well-Known Member Rollitup Advertiser

    No I just thought maybe there would be a correlation between cloning method and root rot showing up at other points in a grow. Using cubes or rapid rooters seems like the safest way to do it.

    The water pump did not do well being simmered.
     
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    firsttimeARE

    firsttimeARE Well-Known Member

    I added the nutrients after I saw roots. Makes sense about humidity and temps. Humidity has been like 5-10% and temps in the high 60s. Maybe that has more to do with rooting in the summer than high water temps.

    I need to buy a bigger humidifier. The one I have is like out of water after 2 hours
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    How much of an area is that light covering? And were you using more or less light before? I was using 7-8 watts per ft2 of COB led then moved down to 4.5 watts per ft2 of led tubes and the clones were still eating themselves alive by 2 weeks or so and now I'm using 3-4 watts per ft2 of strip led but its about 3-4 foot above the clones and measure about half of the intensity as the 4.5 watts did and everything is still green as can be I think it's been at least 2 weeks..
     
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    Budley Doright

    Budley Doright Well-Known Member

    I use one 2' low intensity t5 16" above my clones that are covered with a clear tote lid. I found I have better luck with root riot cubes than rock wool but that is anecdotal evidence. I have real issues with rock wool once transferred into veg trays if I don't limit flood times to once or twice a day until roots are well established. As for the chilled res I keep mine at 66 and have never added anything re beanies for a year and get amazing root growth. I clean my stuff every run but never in between and wipe everything with H2O2 and run a few days with a concentrated mix of water and H2O2 then refill with water, I should mention that my well water is run through a whole house uv filter as well. I would use bleach but I have 5 gallons of 35% peroxide that I need to use lol.
     
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    Rahz

    Rahz Well-Known Member Rollitup Advertiser

    The Recharge has arrived. It seems like a pretty good deal, 8 ounces and 1/2 teaspoon per gallon will make a lot of tea. Another thing I like about it, it's completely soluble. It probably uses a filler but whatever it is it's not clay or other material that will create an instant residue.

    I've cleaned the grow station as well as I can. I suspect there are spores that survived. As an additional measure I've brewed some tea and added it to the rez. I'll be adding more tea every couple days until the clones are ready at which point I'll sanitize the system again and start a new cycle.

    Nothing new to report with the clones. Day 7, no sign of roots.

    As mentioned, water pumps don't survive being simmered. Also, the suction cups and o rings don't do well in 30,000 ppm sodium hypochlorite. Cups and o-rings can be removed, so it's still possible to soak them in heavy bleach. Whether there are internal parts that will dissolve after repeated applications I'm not sure. I plan on treating the pump with the same solution between grows so if it fails in the future I'll report it.
     
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    Rahz

    Rahz Well-Known Member Rollitup Advertiser

    It's been 13 days since the clones were started, I had lost count somewhere. No roots yet. Clones still look healthy, tips have browned slightly but leaves are still praying. No stem rot yet even on the controls. That was the reason I switched from cubes to a bucket cloner originally. I think the 72 degree temp is the main reason roots aren't showing yet.

    I'm going to purchase a heat mat. I'll work 72 -vs- 78 into the test. I've got a couple more moms in the works so I'll have plenty of cuttings available soon.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Check out my thread
    4 inches is all them girls need in the advanced section.

    I just posted a pic of a 13 day old cut :)

    If theres any help you want or the recipe i used let me know
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    Go hydro lol
    Serious i just gave rockwool a shot and they all survived but they look like crap (my fault)

    And a cut that i put in the cloner in 13 days is ready to go to a veg setup
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member

    i use a heat mat under my clone greenhouse
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member

    i run DWC. suffering root rot in my veg area. can get clean clones when i root in rockwool, but as soon as i move to my tubs it sets in.

    i believe my rain water is infected with too much algae. pool shocked it and threw in bromine tablets trying to clear it up.

    in the meantime, i planted a rockwool cube and 707 Truthband clone in soil today to get it bigger so i can take more clones and disinfect my hydro area/clean rainwater or drain and start praying for rain, lol.
     
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    Cold$moke

    Cold$moke Well-Known Member

    @Sour Wreck Sorry bud ive been in almost all knds of hydro
    If I can help dont be affraid to ask
    Mainly dwc, nft/lpa, rdwc ,
     
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    Sour Wreck

    Sour Wreck Well-Known Member

    no problem, appreciate your interest

    i'll get past this if i have to buy water for a while, lol.

    my tap water is terrible.
     
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