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thumper60

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I know its legal but will a propane company fill a 500 gallon tank after they plumb it to your bedroom unit? big difference between a c02 generator for a marijuana grow hooked to a 500 gallon tank or a space heater fireplace install eh? I think so, the fireplaces are approved for this type of install and I'll still bet nobody comes up with a c02 generator for greenhouses that is approved for a bedroom grow op

my gas company will not fill these tanks unless they themselves plumbed it. just wondering of the install into a stoners bedroom....I bet not but could be as simple as maybe not in Michigan but prolly so in Tennessee lol
a co2 generator is the same as a unvented heater cant have them in bedrooms,i worked for a gas co ,u don't have a clue what your talking about AGAIN if its ul listed we go in do pressure test dosnt matter who ran the line if the test hold we hook up,u just got a dickwad co
 
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thumper60

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Ya a bedroom unit here has to be approved on rating plate and must have a thermostat, and yup direct vent .... fireplace or space heater :). My favourite demo is a bic lighter it'll take my analyzer up to about 800 ppm lol. But it would never add that much to a room that you would get a reading unless it was a perfectly sealed room with no dilution and it would take a long time to reach 25 ppm. A lady died in her bathroom in a soaker tub burning a shit load of candles for a couple of hours with no dilution air.
I heard u guys were little tougher on laws up there,can u run bvents in bedrooms up there?
 

chemphlegm

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a co2 generator is the same as a unvented heater cant have them in bedrooms,i worked for a gas co ,u don't have a clue what your talking about AGAIN if its ul listed we go in do pressure test dosnt matter who ran the line if the test hold we hook up,u just got a dickwad co
simmer down, I never said I knew what I was talking about. obviously an opinion is being shared along with some personal experience. not all of us are propane appliance installers right?

the unvented heaters sold at the store are UL listed.
No c02 generator I've seen was UL listed but they do claim they use some UL listed materials in the build. Is some UL listed materials in the build enough for legal safe installation by the gas company?

can you show me a UL listed propane fired c02 generator that is made/approved for residential use? that would be special for many interested.
 

thumper60

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simmer down, I never said I knew what I was talking about. obviously an opinion is being shared along with some personal experience. not all of us are propane appliance installers right?

the unvented heaters sold at the store are UL listed.
No c02 generator I've seen was UL listed but they do claim they use some UL listed materials in the build. Is some UL listed materials in the build enough for legal safe installation by the gas company?

can you show me a UL listed propane fired c02 generator that is made/approved for residential use? that would be special for many interested.
never seen a generator set up in a living space,thats what tanks r for I run a unvented for co2 a heat in my out building,we would not hook up to any thing home made or not ul listed same with woodburners done a ton of those to
 

chemphlegm

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never seen a generator set up in a living space,thats what tanks r for I run a unvented for co2 a heat in my out building,we would not hook up to any thing home made or not ul listed same with woodburners done a ton of those to
thats all I'll assume until I see a UL listed Co2 generator that is approved for residential in home use.
this is exactly what my propane supplier told me when they delivered a propane tank and hooked up my 22kw standby generator two weeks ago.
 

thumper60

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thats all I'll assume until I see a UL listed Co2 generator that is approved for residential in home use.
this is exactly what my propane supplier told me when they delivered a propane tank and hooked up my 22kw standby generator two weeks ago.
it really boils down to liabilty,once a supplier hooks up,they r on the hook lol
 

chemphlegm

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it really boils down to liabilty,once a supplier hooks up,they r on the hook lol
sure, they wont hook up a 500 gallon tank to a C02 Generator in a dudes bedroom, aint happening if using a legitimate company to install/hook up. thats my story until I see a UL listed gen rated safe for an indoor dudes bedroom lol
 

thumper60

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sure, they wont hook up a 500 gallon tank to a C02 Generator in a dudes bedroom, aint happening if using a legitimate company to install/hook up. thats my story until I see a UL listed gen rated safe for an indoor dudes bedroom lol
I feel the gens r a over priced rip off,just go get a 79 doller vent free from lowes light the pilot an be done with it, I never looked into it but boy u would think the gens would be ul listed
 

Budley Doright

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uh..

1)liquid cooled operation
2) electronic ignition= no pilot light
3 )tip over safety
4) low o2 shut down

used to have this unit^ with electronic ignition, now I have a unit with a pilot light thats on full time.
Oh got ya, lol, I thought you meant a liquid cooled pilot.
 

Budley Doright

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do you have a link to an approved bedroom unit ?

my room is sealed, not hermetically, but no air transfer/exchange takes place purposely. My ambient c02 at lights on is 390ppm.
While using the electronic ignition unit with no pilot my ambient first lights on was below 200, maybe theres another reason but I always assumed it was the pilot as this is all that changed in the space. After working an hour or so in the space the c02 ppm raises visibly on my meter also.
I was talking about a heater not a CO2 generator for a bedroom. :(. And I'm also not going to fight with you, I know my code lol. That's all I fucking do all day is look up codes in gas, oil, electric .... got 46 phone calls today :( .....and I'm semi retired ..... fuck lol. Im a gas fitter, refrigeration mechanic, sheet metal mechanic (resi) and train HVAC apprentices ... it's not glamorous but it pays the bills lol.
 

Budley Doright

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simmer down, I never said I knew what I was talking about. obviously an opinion is being shared along with some personal experience. not all of us are propane appliance installers right?

the unvented heaters sold at the store are UL listed.
No c02 generator I've seen was UL listed but they do claim they use some UL listed materials in the build. Is some UL listed materials in the build enough for legal safe installation by the gas company?

can you show me a UL listed propane fired c02 generator that is made/approved for residential use? that would be special for many interested.
Check out blue ox .... ul approved but you still need to follow local codes. Our code (Ontario) states you must follow the more stringent codes or those having jurisdiction .... it gets complicated lol.
 

Budley Doright

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I tried burning propane but it got way too warm in my room.

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I made a little double burner alcohol lamp and ran methyl hydrate in it but I'm not sure if it really helped.

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I'm sure the alcohol burner would in fact raise the CO2 and if sealed it may get quite high actually. I used a heater in the back of a cube van to help dry a shitload of plants once and it was just fucking raining in there the next morning, and yup got fucking hot lol.
 
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Budley Doright

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do you have a link to an approved bedroom unit ?

my room is sealed, not hermetically, but no air transfer/exchange takes place purposely. My ambient c02 at lights on is 390ppm.
While using the electronic ignition unit with no pilot my ambient first lights on was below 200, maybe theres another reason but I always assumed it was the pilot as this is all that changed in the space. After working an hour or so in the space the c02 ppm raises visibly on my meter also.
I'm sure the pilot had an effect over a period of time. Not to many standing pilot units here, soon there won't be any I assume due to effiency rules.
 

Budley Doright

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I know its legal but will a propane company fill a 500 gallon tank after they plumb it to your bedroom unit? big difference between a c02 generator for a marijuana grow hooked to a 500 gallon tank or a space heater fireplace install eh? I think so, the fireplaces are approved for this type of install and I'll still bet nobody comes up with a c02 generator for greenhouses that is approved for a bedroom grow op

my gas company will not fill these tanks unless they themselves plumbed it. just wondering of the install into a stoners bedroom....I bet not but could be as simple as maybe not in Michigan but prolly so in Tennessee lol
So the supplier has to do the piping? That's bullshit and probably illegal in a competition sense if someone pushed it. Anyone can do the piping here, if certified, and we can actually do the inspection and pressure test, start as well, mind you we take on the liability. I've been asked to testify twice but cases settled out before date...good thing as they pay about $35 a day lol.
 

chemphlegm

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I was talking about a heater not a CO2 generator for a bedroom. :(. And I'm also not going to fight with you, I know my code lol. That's all I fucking do all day is look up codes in gas, oil, electric .... got 46 phone calls today :( .....and I'm semi retired ..... fuck lol. Im a gas fitter, refrigeration mechanic, sheet metal mechanic (resi) and train HVAC apprentices ... it's not glamorous but it pays the bills lol.

no fighting at all just keeping on point. we all know we can have a ventless heater in our homes, but the point was are c02 generators approved for bedroom use. I like the Blue Ox UL listed burner though, good find thanks!
 

chemphlegm

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So the supplier has to do the piping? That's bullshit and probably illegal in a competition sense if someone pushed it. Anyone can do the piping here, if certified, and we can actually do the inspection and pressure test, start as well, mind you we take on the liability. I've been asked to testify twice but cases settled out before date...good thing as they pay about $35 a day lol.
yeah, no biggy for me, but hooking that tank to my propane bbq or my c02 gen was a big "NO".
they want to take the liability and be there when the appliance is running to test their connections. sorry, no gas men allowed in my grow room for one, but they said they could not do it anyways.

they said if there was old lines to an old tank they would have to dig new lines for their new tank and hook up in order to accept liability. seems like a swell rule to me, but I dont install gas lines myself so lol
 

chemphlegm

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the pilot is a boon to my production, I chose to replace my electronic ignition unit with a always lit pilot light unit for my win. It cycles less times every day now and I havent had to service it in four years since new. My electronic unit needed two thermocoupler sparker replacements in a two yr period. I love my pilot light
 
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