Coco Growers Unite!

Discussion in 'Drain-To-Waste Hydro' started by Masterofgenetics, Feb 18, 2009.

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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    Well this is a long *ss thread so here's a song while you read

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STZu6PtSZQI

    Well Rollitup.org A bunch of people have said this should be posted as a sticky..

    It's up to you guys..

    We are asking for a coco sub forum...

    maybe a coco contest.. maybe a couple free shirts, or a couple of months of a elite for free to the winner..

    But this is my thread

    and if you didn't like the first song here is another..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STZu6PtSZQI

    A BIG THANKS to Nandro and Texas Kid for helping me compile all this wonderful information and pics to help everyone understand Coco and it's benefits just a little bit better.

    RB


    Background on Coco

    The recent shift to Coco as a medium for growers has caused many to turn and take a look. Since Coco can be used in virtually any style of growing (ie. Container Growing, Ebb and Flow, DWC and even Aeroponics) and wide spread reports of increased growth rates as a result of it's use, it certainly merits a closer look.

    Coco and it's various grades are manufactured from the shells and husks of the Coconut. While Coco is made in several parts of the world, Sri Lanka is by far and away the world leader in Coco production. For obvious reasons, it is cheaper to produce the Coco in Sri Lanka as labor is cheap and Coconuts are quite abundant as Coconut export is one of Sri Lanka's top export products.

    Coco products have many uses other than it's Horticultural applications. As an example, Coco husks (the larger pieces) are used to mix in with unstable earth to help anchor it and allow water to easily pass through thereby controlling erosion in mountainous areas of the world. Coco is also used to filter drinking water in some parts of the world that can't afford the high cost of water treatment plants.

    Coco in Gardening

    In indoor gardening, Coco and it's various grades offer indoor growers (Newbies and Seasoned Growers alike) a super forgiving medium that practically insures that over-watering and "dampening off" never occur. In Hydro, Coco allows the gardener to cycle/flood less frequently as the Coco itself, unlike Hydroton, will retain the perfect amount of moisture to keep the plants happy between floods. Depending on the grade of Coco used, if you're flooding four or five times per light cycle, you can easily cut down to two to three floods during "lights on" and NONE during the dark period. Less floodings = less nutrients used = big savings on nutrients!

    Being a totally inert (no food value) substrate, supplemental feedings through a good, well rounded nutrient regime are essential. However, this is the beauty of Coco as since it is inert, you can more accurately control EXACTLY how much food your plants are receiving. Also, by just looking at your plants, you'll be able to see if they are wanting more food or less and you can very precisely contol the feedings by monitoring the PPM or EC of your feedings. Coco allows the grower to have a "gas pedal" and a "brake" for the plant growth. Through trial and experimentation, you will quickly find that precise level that your plants perform best at and learn to keep it there for pronounced growth!

    Something should also be said about the "symbiotic" relationship that Coco enjoys with plants. When doing a side by side comparion with plants grown in Coco versus the same plants grown in Soil (or Coco vs Hydroton in Hydro), it becomes apparently very quickly to the grower that the rate of growth is EXPLOSIVE in Coco! It's not at all unusual to see the same cuttings in Coco be twice the size of cuttings in soil. The plants have an overall healthier, happier look to them and the hybrid vigour of a given strain is accentuated when in Coco. The tastes and aromas of buds grown in Coco are extremely difficult to tell from herb grown in a totally organic soil and are ALWAYS more flavorful and aromatic in Hydro when compared to Hydroton grown bud. The plants just seem to give their best in Coco and with less hassle than either soil or Hydrton.

    When it comes to the problems of seriously vasilating pH in Hydro when Hydroton is used, you can kiss those problems goodbye when you convert to Coco as your medium. Once thoroughly flushed and buffered with pH'd water, Coco will prove to be rock solid when it comes to staying in the proper pH range. This reason alone makes Coco worth converting to in Hydroponics, IMHO.

    Aside from training your brain to pH at hydroponic levels, Coco growers must adapt to a "Water to Waste" approach to watering/feeding when container growing. This means to continue watering well after runoff water comes out of the bottom. This is because Coco retains just enough moisture to sustain the plant but, like Hydroponics, it requires a good long drink to keep the plants happy. This also acts as an effective "flushing" method to keep salts (nutrients) from building up in the medium. Although you need to feed much more frequently than a pre-ferted soil mix, it is still recommended that you do a periodic plain pH'd watering to assist in ridding any built up salts in the medium. For this reason, Watering to Waste requires some sort of "catch" system to capture the run off water out of your pots when container garden. An Ebb n Flow tray works well or you can fabricate your own catch try to place under your pots. If elevated, this catch tray can have a drain in one corner or at the center to allow the run off to drip into a Rubbermaid container below the catch tray.


    Coco and it's various grades

    There is much confusion and misunderstanding regarding Coco. You will find that virtually all Coco is referred to as "Coco Coir". When, in fact, Coir is but just one of the different GRADES of Coco available. Coco is manufactured into three major catagories, or grades. Essentially, these grades are a catagorization of the "coarseness" of the various grades of Coco. They are as follows in order from the finest to the most coarse:
    • PYTH - This is the finest grade of Coco. Pyth is harvested from the softer tissue just inside the shell or husk that is pulverized into a fine particulate. It resembles light brown, dried coffee gounds. The finer particles provide a solid substrate for the plant's root system but lack in the rapid drainage of it's more coarse forms. Using just Pyth solely as your medium is NOT recommend because of it's tendency to retain so much moisture but can be blended with other grades to add some body to the blend. Some manufacturers like Earth Juice and to some degree Botanicare use a fair amount of Pyth in what they call Coco Coir. Again, this grade is not Coir but we'll get to the next!
    • COIR/FIBER - Coir is a longer fiber harvest from the outer layers of the shell or husk and is often chopped into shorter fragments. The fabled "Profit Disks" were made from this portion of the Coconut. While Coir still holds a good amount of moisture after watering or flooding, it's drainage is significantly better than Pyth. Coir can also be found in very long strands often referred to as "Coco Fiber" and is commonly found in nurseries and craft stores. The longest strands make a good liner for the bottom of pots which you can fill on top of with finer cut Coir or Croutons for an excellent medium.
    • HUSKS (aka "Croutons") - The coarsest grade of Coco are the Husks which have also been referred to as "Croutons". Several growers here at the Bay can tell you of their success with Croutons. Made by fragmenting the shells or husks of the Coconut, Croutons are made up of chunks of shell and represent the fastest draining form of Coco available. Croutons are HIGHLY recommended for use in Ebb and Flow as well as DWC systems because they are absent of the finer particles that would tend to clog spray nozzles or pump motors. Croutons drain as well as Hydroton but do retain a perfect amount of moisture between floodings as compared to Hydroton. General Hydroponics recently discontinued their Coco Croutons and they have not been available. Until now, that is. More on that in a moment.
    The following pic illustrates the various grades of Coco. However, Pyth is not shown.

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    Which Coco is best for me?

    Deciding on which grade of Coco or which brand can be quite confusing. For many, this is a trial and error excercise until they find the best grade for their grows. However, some generalizations can surely be made.

    For Container Style growing, either Coco Coir or a blend of the various grades would suite you quite well. In containers, a nice blend of longer fiber Coir with a small amount of Pyth blended in would give your roots good aeration and they Pyth would help to retain a bit more moisture so that watering every two to four days would be appropriate.

    While Coco Coir with Pyth in it MUST BE pre-washed, we recommend that ALL COCO PRODUCTS BE THOROUGHLY FLUSHED with pH'd water to rid any impurities from the blend.

    *It's also VERY IMPORTANT to remember that when growing in Coco, you MUST pH at Hydroponic levels in the 5.5-6.0 range. pH ranges higher than this will result in plant deficiencies and nutrient lockout!

    For Hydroponic and Aeroponic growers, Husks or Croutons are the way to go for sure. Nandro says that Husks/Croutons are "God's gift to our gardens!". Again, being absent of the finer particulates (after a good pre-rinsing, of course), they are the PERFECT medium for recirculating systems. As Husks are available in a couple of different sizes, you can experiment to see which size works best for you. In either case, both sizes retain enough moisture that you can reduce your amount of flood cycles and save on nutrients! Roots just explode in growth due to the amount of oxygen available in a Crouton medium and they grow easily through the net pot. The growth rate will astound the most seasoned of growers!

    In the end, it's a matter of grow style. If you container grow, a finer mix will do you fine just as long as it's still light, airy and pourous. In Hydro, the larger chunks of the Husks/Croutons will get the job done and give you better tasting, better smelling harvests than Hydroton ever has for you. Try it once and you'll never go back.


    Sounds great, Rell, but how and where do I get all these grades?

    Well, I'm glad you asked since I haven't had a good answer for you until just this week. As it turns out, Nandro, Texas Kid and I found a producer of these various grades of Coco right here in the North Texas area. A company called RioCoco imports the various grades from Sri Lanka and then pre-washes and packages primarily for the commercial agricultural and civil industries around the world. Up until now, this product has not been available in hydroponic supplies but, THANK GOD, we've been able to put RioCoco in touch with Water Baby's Indoor Garden Supply and they now will be the exclusive hydroponic supplier for their fine products! Take a look at all they have to offer.

    RioCoco Green Starters

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    Green Starters are a compressed block of a perfect blend of Coir, Fibers and Husks called their S1 grade and when broken up will contain a small amount of Pyth. The block measures 7"x10"x2.5" and makes for a great shipping size. The wrapper can be opened up and used like a grow bag or use it to fill your containers. Just add your pH'd water to expand and break up the block. It recommends adding 500 mils to start but we found that about 1.5 liters was just about right. Nandro says, "Green Starter Coco Blocks are a great way for container growers wanting to experience the Coco craze".

    Here's a shot of a fresh moistened block.

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    And a shot after it has drained and been broken up a bit. We popped a few holes in the bottom of it to let the water drain through properly.

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    The S1 Custom Blend Coco contained in the block is their premium mix of Coco and is suitable for Container Style growing but can be used in hydro if you utilize a mesh bag for your reservoir pump or Coco liners in your net pots. This S1 Custom Blend is an absolutely gorgeous mix as you can see above and could still be used in recirculating systems if pre-flushed well to rid the mix of small particulates.




    RioCoco Chip Blocks - S2, S3 and Croutons

    RioCoco has also packaged into pressed blocks their finest grades of Husks/Croutons. Again, these are the large chunks of husk or shell that are best suited for recirculating Hydroponic Systems. The Chip Blocks are available in three grades: S2 which are medium sized chips, S3 which are slightly larger and Croutons which are the largest size. Premium Coco Husks like these are highly recommended fro growers using hydroponic systems like DWC, Drip, Ebb n Flow, Aeroponics and any other recirculating systems. The S2 and S3 Husks also make an attractive bedding cover (like Mulch) for your outdoor flower beds!

    S2 Chip Block

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    S3 Chip Block

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    Sitting side by side you can see the one block has bigger chips than the other.

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    These Chip Blocks weigh between 9-10 pounds and should produce between 50-70 liters of expanded product. This is comparable to the pressed blocks of Coco offered by Botanicare and Earth Juice but the quality of the finished product is FAR superior.

    There wasn't a block to show you of the Croutons but here is a sample bag we received from RioCoco and you can see how much bigger they are. These Croutons are available as RioCoco's Green 'n Grow Premium Coco in 1 cu. ft. bags. More in a moment.

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    Here again is the pic of the various grades and you can see the comparison of size of the S2, S3 and the Green 'n Grow Premium Coir Croutons better side by side.

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    E-Coir Coco Fiber

    RioCoco also offers the longest strands of Coco known as Fiber in plastic bags. E-Coir can be used to grow in exclusively but, in it's longest form, it makes a great liner for your pots and the S1 Custom Blend, Husks or Croutons can be added on top for a superior draining mix. The Fibers can also be cut into short pieces and mixed in with your choice of Husks and/or Croutons to make the perfect custom blend for you. E-Coir is an excellent and versatile Coco product.

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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    Oh and just so you know this isn't stolen

    Well, I'm glad you asked since I haven't had a good answer for you until just this week. As it turns out, Nandro, Texas Kid and I found a producer of these various grades of Coco right here in the North Texas area. A company called RioCoco imports the various grades from Sri Lanka and then pre-washes and packages primarily for the commercial agricultural and civil industries around the world. Up until now, this product has not been available in hydroponic supplies but, THANK GOD, we've been able to put RioCoco in touch with Water Baby's Indoor Garden Supply and they now will be the exclusive hydroponic supplier for their fine products! Take a look at all they have to offer.

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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

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    gogrow

    gogrow confused

    i see it was approved... gonna have to give this a good read tonight; been wondering about coco for awhile now
     
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    stilltokin

    stilltokin Well-Known Member

    a sub forum for coco would be great. I'm in love with it..
    Yet I am always scared of overwatering, but ive heard its not possible
     
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    Yota

    Yota Well-Known Member

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    pacman

    pacman Well-Known Member

    i'm likin it, ive gone to coco and i'm defenitly stickin with it for a while, and it seems there isnt enough info on it,
     
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    stilltokin

    stilltokin Well-Known Member

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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    Well it's very hard to over water the thicker coco. Now the bio bales.. aka pyth.. they are better for outdoors.. When I water, more then half drains right out..

    I tend to water a little more in veg then back off once I have a root ball.. then later in flower I up the dose..

    Thanks bro for posting
     
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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    Thanks bro for posting..
    Theres alot to say about coco..
    First off it's reusable
    And naturally breaks down in 6 months..The fiber will tend to seperate.. But I love to make a coco compost out of the left overs...

    Here is my cycle..

    I have a hand watering drip system.. I use croutons.. on the top 3/4 layer.. then use 1/4 E-coir in the bottom... For extra drainage.. But I do not suggest reusing the pyth.. I will post more detail info shortly
     
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    clowdy

    clowdy Well-Known Member

    hey whats up guy i started useing coco too.
    well i got these bricks of koko pro
    condensed coconut fiber potting soil it says.100%
    ive been useing this to sprout my seeds and they have been sprouting way faster then reg soil.and now i have been adding some perlite to the coco.
    first off this stuff is way cheaper i think the soil the brick i got was only 2.99 and it makes more than 3 gallons of premium potting soil.and it says it absorbs up to 10times
    its weight in water.so far i think its great.
     
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    fdd2blk

    fdd2blk POW

    i wanna see more of the "texas resin company", or at least the spokes person. nice hands. :hump:
     
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    clowdy

    clowdy Well-Known Member

    ya she would be nice to grow on too :0)~
     
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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    And if that doesn't do it..
    OK, JUST THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO ADD AS A TYPE OF BTW THING THAT YES I AM A CHICK!! ([​IMG])



    (Yeah I know, I know, I Should have made that clear in the first place, My Bad [​IMG])

    ~LSK2
     
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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    RioCoco's S1 Custom Blend Coir (like in the Green Starters) is a Super-premium blend that is also available in already expanded 1 cu. ft. bags. However, unlike the Green Starter blocks, the S1 in the bag favors the larger chunks of the S2, S3 and Croutons in terms of size with a bit of E-Coir Coco Fiber that has been cut up into short lengths to provide a beautiful consistency to this custom Coco blend.

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    Let's take a closer look at the mix. You can see how chunky this custom blend is and will be a SUPERIOR medium for Hydro growers of all kinds.

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    The Green 'n Grow comes pre-washed quite well. The next pic shows Nandro flushing a pot full and you can see how clear the water is running out of the bottom of the pot. By the way, I caught the first water running through the pot in the pic to make sure we could see how clean it was right out of the bag. See how clean the water is?

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    Right after this flushing, we set the pot on the counter and left it there for a few minutes.​

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    After about five minutes (long enough for a ton of water to drain out of the bottom), I picked up the net pot and was amazed at how little water dripped on the counter. Obviously, this medium rids itself of excess moisture VERY rapidly.

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    We decided to sift through the medium of the pot above and find the various sizes/grades that are contained in the Green 'n Grow Premium Coir mix. Take a look at this! Over 13 different sizes of Coco chunks are used to create this superior, premium blend for amazing air-to-water consistencies. From smallest to largest you can see the variation in this custom blend.

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    Don't see any Pyth, do ya?

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    RioCoco Nest Pot

    Last but certainly not least, RioCoco has introduced a product that may very well revolutionize the Art of Propagation. The "Nest Pot"! Nest Pots are an amazing Coir Fiber product that has been fashioned into a Rapid Rooter or Jiffy Pellet configuration now allowing you to enjoy all the aspects of Coco right from the beginning of your grow!

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    Packaged in their own tray complete with a humidity dome, the Nest Pots come as a complete propagation system/germination station for your garden.

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    To make them even cooler, RioCoco made little Coco tops for the rooters so that the seed is covered from the light but can break through very easily during germination. Pretty slick, huh?

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    Premium grade Coco fills the insides.

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    Here's a shot of the underside of the tray the Nest Pots come in. As you can see there is ample drainage and area for roots to come through.

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    However, it would be advisable to set the Nest Pot tray (which is about 12"x12") into a regular propagation tray with a bit of water in the bottom of it. This will afford a place for the drainage to be caught out of the bottom of the Nest Pot tray as well as help maintain the humidity level under the dome.


    Needless to say, we are stoked as hell to have made this discovery of this fine company, RioCoco, and even more stoked to have helped them get set up with Water Baby's! Many of these fine products from RioCoco are available through Water Baby's now and they are featuring them at low introductory prices to help get the products going out the door and to your garden in the near future. I believe, these prices below will reflect the prices on Water Baby's website once they get them up for sale there which I'm told will be in the next day or two.

    • RioCoco Green Starter Blocks - $8.95 ea.
    • RioCoco S2 and S3 Chip Blocks - $14.95 ea.
    • RioCoco E-Coir Coco Fibers - $9.95 per bag
    • RioCoco Green 'n Grow Premuim Coir - $14.95 1 cu. ft. bag
    • Rio Coco Nest Pot Germination Station - $12.95 ea.
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    For everyone in the US and Canada, Water Baby's will be the only source for these products. For you UK blokes and birds, we are talking with RioCoco to see if we can get the product to Pistils at Greenstream in Birmingham. We're looking to see if some can be diverted right from Sri Lanka directly to Pistils before hitting the States. I'll update this thread once we know something more on this.

    RioCoco's products sure seem to solve the dilemna on where to get the RIGHT Coco and also the problem of where to now get Coco Croutons. Water Baby's is talking with RioCoco about proprietary packaging for the various products. If that does happen, I suggested to the guys at Water Baby's that since Botanicare calls their Coco, Cocogro . . . Water Baby's should call theirs, "Coco, bro!" lol Can't you just hear it? "What the hell is that stuff?", "Why it's Coco, bro!" LMAO I love that name!

    I hope this in-depth look at Coco and it's various grades removes some of the mystery surrounding this fabulous, God-given product. For those of use who have been gardening with Coco for sometime now, it's been long overdue that a company has come forth to provide the highest quality Coco, in various grades, to allow us gardeners the flexibility to chose the RIGHT grade for our style of growing and take advantage of the many benefits that Coco offers us!

    In the words of our old friend, Lonestar . . . Grow Kind Y'all!
     
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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    Botanicare's Cocogro will work just fine as long as you THOROUGHLY flush it with pH'd water to remove the small sedimentation in it, desalinize (desalt) the Coco and to buffer the pH in the correct range (5.5-6.0). We have personally used Botanicare Cocogro with good success in Ebb and Flow tables. You just have to make sure that you have rinsed it thoroughly because straight of the block or bag, you will read as much as 300-400 PPM in the runoff water which is quite high. The one thing you might consider is getting an Ecoplus Filter bag like the one below to keep the smaller particulates from running through your pump. The filter bags run $8.00-10.00 depending on the size of the bag.

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    Until the Profit Disks hit the market (and then went away), longer and coarser Coco was not readily available. The Profit Disks contained much more of the longer Coir strands that made drainage and aeration so wonderful and it didn't contain any Pyth. Pistils has used this Coir in many of his past grows with outstanding success! The RioCoco Green Starter blocks are virtually the same consistency as the Profit Disks Coco. So, all of you that have been wanting the Profit Disks, the Green Starters are the ones you want.
     
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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    For those planning to do a hydro system with coco & are worried about the coco returning to your res & plugging up your pumps...

    Here is another solution you may consider... Mine arrived & Not a chance any of the coco could get out of these... I think they are gonna be my ticket to paradise.

    The SMART POT Is a better Growing Container Than a Plastic Pot – Much Better
    • RELEASES HEAT – COOLER PLANTS GROW MORE QUICKLY
    • AIR PRUNES FOR A BETTER ROOT STRUCTURE
    • NO CIRCLING ROOTS
    • AERATES ROOT ZONE
    • DIFFICULT TO BLOW OVER
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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    The very first Coco I ever bought was Earth Juice brand since our old hydro store ran out of any other options. Earth Juice Coco is ALL Pyth. No Coir of Fiber at all. I'll never forget how that went. We were container growing in 3-5 gallon pots with Coco mixed with some Perlite. Obviously, since we had just hydrated the bale, we didn't need to water in the plants. There was plenty of moisture there.

    Two days later, it was still good and moist. Five days later it was still too wet to water. TWO WEEEKS later it was still moist and we handn't water since transplant! The plants looked all wilted and no growth had really occurred at all. I thought this Coco was a bunch of crap. Thankfully, Nandro came by and got us straightened out with the Botanincare which, although is still got quite a bit of Pyth in it, was FAR superior to the Earth Juice.

    What I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't give up hope on Coco simply because you don't have the proper Coco for your system/setup. The S1 Custom Blend in the Green 'n Grow, or Coco similar to it, would do you well. The drainage is superior in a blend of Husks and Fiber like this and will let you flood more like you are used to. Give that a try, bro!
     
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    Botanicare's Cocogro will work just fine as long as you THOROUGHLY flush it with pH'd water to remove the small sedimentation in it, desalinize (desalt) the Coco and to buffer the pH in the correct range (5.5-6.0). We have personally used Botanicare Cocogro with good success in Ebb and Flow tables. You just have to make sure that you have rinsed it thoroughly because straight of the block or bag, you will read as much as 300-400 PPM in the runoff water which is quite high. The one thing you might consider is getting an Ecoplus Filter bag like the one below to keep the smaller particulates from running through your pump. The filter bags run $8.00-10.00 depending on the size of the bag.

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    Until the Profit Disks hit the market (and then went away), longer and coarser Coco was not readily available. The Profit Disks contained much more of the longer Coir strands that made drainage and aeration so wonderful and it didn't contain any Pyth. Pistils has used this Coir in many of his past grows with outstanding success! The RioCoco Green Starter blocks are virtually the same consistency as the Profit Disks Coco. So, all of you that have been wanting the Profit Disks, the Green Starters are the ones you want.


    RB



    I noticed with the compressed bricks you need to flush. I've been running the cocogro loose bag of bot. and threw off next to nothing. Great stuff but the loose ground up fibers can get messy with tables but you dont need to flood as much till they get a little bigger. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    Masterofgenetics

    Masterofgenetics New Member

    Originally Posted by Outlaw Grower [​IMG]
    i do a 16plant recirculating drip in a 3x3 tray under 600w. i currently use the cocogro 5kg bales and i try to mix about 50/50 coco perilite. ph stays stable better than it did with canna and plants seem to like it better healthy wise but seemed to grow faster in straight canna coco. any recomendations to a better mix? my main concern is it needs to be low maintenance and ph stay stable
    I would quit cuttin with perlite at all, it will have a tendecy to load up on the moisture and nutes which is counter to one of the primary benefits of coco. The air to water ratio and drainage are THE benefit so when you add perlite with the entent to retain more moisture in the media you just countered two of the main benefits. I would mix the Cocogro bales with a bale of large chips from Empire Organics and run it at 100% coco. no ph issues at all and easy cheezy on the maintanence.
     
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