Colchicine Treated Marjiuana

i have heard a while back that germanating about 100 seeds with Colchicine mixed into the water about 90% of the seeds die.but the other 10% will be sum kind of freak of nature plants growing the size of a landpost.and the first generation of the plant is so potent that it can kill you!well ive done some reaserch and this is what i have come up with:
You can employ a growth changer called Colchicine. This is a bit hard to
get and expensive. (Should be ordered through a lab of some sort and costs
about $35 a gram.)

To use the Colchicine, you should prepare your presoaking solution of
distilled water with about 0.10 per cent Colchicine. This will cause many of
the seeds to die and not germinate, but the ones that do come up will be
polyploid plants. This is the accepted difference between such strains as
"gold" and normal grass, and yours will DEFINITELY be super weed.

The problem here is that Colchicine is a poison in larger quantities and
bay be poisonous in the first generation of plants. Bill Frake, author of
CONNOISSEUR'S HANDBOOK OF MARIJUANA runs a very complete Colchicine treatment
down and warns against smoking the first generation plants (all succeeding
generations will also be polyploid) because of this poisonous quality.

However, the Medical Index shows Colchicine being given in very small
quantities to people for treatment if various ailments. Although these
quantities are small, they would appear to be larger than any you could receive
form smoking a seed-treated plant.

It would be a good idea to buy a copy of CONNOISSEUR'S, if you are
planning to attempt this, and read Mr. Drake's complete instructions.

if anyone has done this could you please tell me how you got the Colchicine and if it worked like i was told.thanks heaps bongsmilie
 

Moldy

Well-Known Member
Sorry but I've only over dosed off chochicine. I can't give specifics as I went through a law suit over it. I almost died. 3 days in intensive care. It's given for Gout which I had some serious episodes of. Anyway, the dose is 0.6 mg per pill and I took the whole fucking bottle of 20. I guess 8 mgs are lethal.

Jorge's book says to stay away from it as it's dangerous but hell, if you've got the "directions" then go for it. Let us know if it really works.
 

IAm5toned

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your concentration is too high... 0.10% is the highest threshold that seeds can still tolerate and live! optimum results that yeild the most polyploidy traits occur at concentrations in the range of 0.35%-0.4% any higher and you have a drastic reduction of successfully germinated seeds... and toxic trace amounts in the vegetative material. the stuff is equal to arscenic in its toxicity... its very very dangerous to handle and work with without some basic halfway decent lab equipment, its highly poisonous. but since it is also highly water soluble, it does not accumulate in the fatty tissues of seeds developing on a pollinated female, which is why it is safe to use to altar the genetics of the plant to produce more polyploid traits in the 2nd generation and then on through further inbreeding of second generation plants to produce a third 'superstrain' and so on and so on, as long as you were able to successfully isolate the desirable traits and keep a strong breeding line going. the stuff is commonly used by commercial breeders of all types of foods and vegetables, and was used to develop the seedless (hint hint hint) watermelon, among many other stuff you see everyday in the produce dept.
it has been scientifically proven in a lab that colchicine treatment when applied to female marijuana plants during the germination phase yeilded second generation plants from seed that had a doubling effect in both potency and yield from the original mother strain.... thats some heavy shit, my friends... seedless plants, doubling potency and yields.

ive been doing some heavy reading on the stuff. i can source all this, im just too damned lazy to actually spend an hour googling references.

anyone know where you can get it?
(not the medicine, and not the cream either)
im talking concentrate or pre mixed solutions...
help me out here, ive already posted on thread on the subject here before: cholchicine treatment as defined by wikipedia:

Botanical use


Since chromosome segregation is driven by microtubules, colchicine is also used for inducing polyploidy in plant cells during cellular division by inhibiting chromosome segregation during meiosis; half the resulting gametes therefore contain no chromosomes, while the other half contain double the usual number of chromosomes (i.e., diploid instead of haploid as gametes usually are), and lead to embryos with double the usual number of chromosomes (i.e. tetraploid instead of diploid). While this would be fatal in animal cells, in plant cells it is not only usually well tolerated, but in fact frequently results in plants which are larger, hardier, faster growing, and in general more desirable than the normally diploid parents; for this reason, this type of genetic manipulation is frequently used in breeding plants commercially. In addition, when such a tetraploid plant is crossed with a diploid plant, the triploid offspring will be sterile, which may be commercially useful in itself by requiring growers to buy seed from the supplier, but also can often be induced to create a "seedless" fruit if pollinated (usually the triploid will also not produce pollen, therefore a diploid parent is needed to provide the pollen). This is the method used to create seedless watermelons, for instance. On the other hand, colchicine's ability to induce polyploidy can be exploited to render infertile hybrids fertile, as is done when breeding triticale from wheat and rye. Wheat is typically tetraploid and rye diploid, with the triploid hybrid infertile. Treatment with colchicine of triploid triticale gives fertile hexaploid triticale.
When used to induce polyploidy in plants, colchicine is usually applied to the plant as a cream. It has to be applied to a growth point of the plant, such as an apical tip, shoot or sucker. Seeds can be presoaked in a colchicine solution before planting. As colchicine is so dangerous, it is worth noting that doubling of chromosome numbers can occur spontaneously in nature, and not infrequently. The best place to look is in regenerating tissue. One way to induce it is to chop off the tops of plants and carefully examine the lateral shoots and suckers to see if any look different.[7] If there is no visual difference flow cytometry can be used for analysis.
and another paper i found on the matter, with a slighty opposing view on some points, quoted from
Marijuana Botany
An Advanced Study: The Propagation and Breeding of Distinctive Cannabis
by Robert Connell Clarke

Polyploidy
Polyploidy is the condition of multiple sets of chromosomes within one cell. Cannabis has 20 chromosomes in the vegetative diploid (2n) condition. Triploid (3n) and tetraploid (4n) individuals have three or four sets of chromosomes and are termed polyploids. It is believed that the haploid condition of 10 chromosomes was likely derived by reduction from a higher (polyploid) ancestral number (Lewis, W. H. 1980). Polyploidy has not been shown to occur naturally in Cannabis; however, it may be induced artificially with colchicine treatments. Colchicine is a poisonous compound extracted from the roots of certain Colchicum species; it inhibits chromosome segregation to daughter cells and cell wall formation, resulting in larger than average daughter cells with multiple chromosome sets. The studies of H. E. Warmke et al. (1942-1944) seem to indicate that colchicine raised drug levels in Cannabis. It is unfortunate that Warmke was unaware of the actual psychoactive ingredients of Cannabis and was therefore unable to extract THC. His crude acetone extract and archaic techniques of bioassay using killifish and small freshwater crustaceans are far from conclusive. He was, however, able to produce both triploid and tetraploid strains of Cannabis with up to twice the potency of dip bid strains (in their ability to kill small aquatic organisms). The aim of his research was to "produce a strain of hemp with materially reduced marijuana content" and his results indicated that polyploidy raised the potency of Cannabis without any apparent increase in fiber quality or yield.
Warmke's work with polyploids shed light on the nature of sexual determination in Cannabis. He also illustrated that potency is genetically determined by creating a lower potency strain of hemp through selective breeding with low potency parents.
More recent research by A. I. Zhatov (1979) with fiber Cannabis showed that some economically valuable traits such as fiber quantity may be improved through polyploidy. Polyploids require more water and are usually more sensitive to changes in environment. Vegetative growth cycles are extended by up to 30-40% in polyploids. An extended vegetative period could delay the flowering of polyploid drug strains and interfere with the formation of floral clusters. It would be difficult to determine if cannabinoid levels had been raised by polyploidy if polyploid plants were not able to mature fully in the favorable part of the season when cannabinoid production is promoted by plentiful light and warm temperatures. Greenhouses and artificial lighting can be used to extend the season and test polyploid strains.
The height of tetraploid (4n) Cannabis in these experiments often exceeded the height of the original diploid plants by 25-30%. Tetraploids were intensely colored, with dark green leaves and stems and a well developed gross phenotype. Increased height and vigorous growth, as a rule, vanish in subsequent generations. Tetraploid plants often revert back to the diploid condition, making it difficult to support tetraploid populations. Frequent tests are performed to determine if ploidy is changing.
Triploid (3n) strains were formed with great difficulty by crossing artificially created tetraploids (4n) with dip bids (2n). Triploids proved to be inferior to both diploids and tetraploids in many cases.
De Pasquale et al. (1979) conducted experiments with Cannabis which was treated with 0.25% and 0.50% solutions of colchicine at the primary meristem seven days after generation. Treated plants were slightly taller and possessed slightly larger leaves than the controls, Anomalies in leaf growth occurred in 20% and 39%, respectively, of the surviving treated plants. In the first group (0.25%) cannabinoid levels were highest in the plants without anomalies, and in the second group (0.50%) cannabinoid levels were highest in plants with anomalies, Overall, treated plants showed a 166-250% increase in THC with respect to controls and a decrease of CBD (30-33%) and CBN (39-65%). CBD (cannabidiol) and CBN (cannabinol) are cannabinoids involved in the biosynthesis and degradation of THC. THC levels in the control plants were very low (less than 1%). Possibly colchicine or the resulting polyploidy interferes with cannabinoid biogenesis to favor THC. In treated plants with deformed leaf lamina, 90% of the cells are tetraploid (4n 40) and 10% diploid (2n 20). In treated plants without deformed lamina a few cells are tetraploid and the remainder are triploid or diploid.
The transformation of diploid plants to the tetraploid level inevitably results in the formation of a few plants with an unbalanced set of chromosomes (2n + 1, 2n - 1, etc.). These plants are called aneuploids. Aneuploids are inferior to polyploids in every economic respect. Aneuploid Cannabis is characterized by extremely small seeds. The weight of 1,000 seeds ranges from 7 to 9 grams (1/4 to 1/3 ounce). Under natural conditions diploid plants do not have such small seeds and average 14-19 grams (1/2-2/3 ounce) per 1,000 (Zhatov 1979).
Once again, little emphasis has been placed on the relationship between flower or resin production and polyploidy. Further research to determine the effect of polyploidy on these and other economically valuable traits of Cannabis is needed.
Colchicine is sold by laboratory supply houses, and breeders have used it to induce polyploidy in Cannabis. However, colchicine is poisonous, so special care is exercised by the breeder in any use of it. Many clandestine cultivators have started polyploid strains with colchicine. Except for changes in leaf shape and phyllotaxy, no out standing characteristics have developed in these strains and potency seems unaffected. However, none of the strains have been examined to determine if they are actually polyploid or if they were merely treated with colchicine to no effect. Seed treatment is the most effective and safest way to apply colchicine. * In this way, the entire plant growing from a colchicine-treated seed could be polyploid and if any colchicine exists at the end of the growing season the amount would be infinitesimal. Colchicine is nearly always lethal to Cannabis seeds, and in the treatment there is a very fine line between polyploidy and death. In other words, if 100 viable seeds are treated with colchicine and 40 of them germinate it is unlikely that the treatment induced polyploidy in any of the survivors. On the other hand, if 1,000 viable treated seeds give rise to 3 seedlings, the chances are better that they are polyploid since the treatment killed all of the seeds but those three. It is still necessary to determine if the offspring are actually polyploid by microscopic examination.
The work of Menzel (1964) presents us with a crude map of the chromosomes of Cannabis, Chromosomes 2-6 and 9 are distinguished by the length of each arm. Chromosome 1 is distinguished by a large knob on one end and a dark chromomere 1 micron from the knob. Chromosome 7 is extremely short and dense, and chromosome 8 is assumed to be the sex chromosome. In the future, chromosome *The word "safest" is used here as a relative term. Coichicine has received recent media attention as a dangerous poison and while these accounts are probably a bit too lurid, the real dangers of exposure to coichicine have not been fully researched. The possibility of bodily harm exists and this is multiplied when breeders inexperienced in handling toxins use colchicine. Seed treatment might be safer than spraying a grown plant but the safest method of all is to not use colchicine. mapping will enable us to picture the location of the genes influencing the phenotype of Cannabis. This will enable geneticists to determine and manipulate the important characteristics contained in the gene pool. For each trait the number of genes in control will be known, which chromosomes carry them, and where they are located along those chromosomes.
 

vostok

Well-Known Member
Date: Oct 7, 2009.

Moldy is correct ....lol

true ...most if not all fucked up weed plants even mutations here on RIU

are because of the use of this chem not just recently

but back plant generations

avoid or suffer seruious hassles

good luck
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member

This shit again?

Bottom line:

It's poison!

Poly plants DO NOT grow well and have LESS THC then others!
Buddha seeds in Spain tried to do a breeding project with polys..

FAILED miserably ! 0 - ZERO success and ZERO quality! Give them a call and ask about it - lol

There is a complete Red Headed Assclown online, making stupid claims about poly plants....He has a SERIOUS crainial, rectal, inversion problem!

NOT worth the time to even try this shit!

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

Or Dennis Moore will come a steal your Lupines

 

chiqifella

Well-Known Member
proper environmental controls + gardening habits and
hid lighting.........once those are in place everyone stops seeking this type of nonsense.
 

Moldy

Well-Known Member
Dr Who and Vostok said it well, I'm just repeating it.

Do Not Use Colchicine !!!!

1. It's way too toxic.
2. Polyploids have not demonstrated any advantage.
3. The reference you followed is 44 years old

If you want to fool around with polyploidy, use the much less toxic Orzalin method. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4233548/fpart/all/vc/1
I'd highly recommend it if you have gout, it's effective and fairly safe if your stupid pharmacist doesn't fuck up the dosage directions. You're supposed to take 1 pill every hour until you puke, not one pill every five minutes until you puke, doh!!
 

Olive Drab Green

Well-Known Member
I take colchicine for Behçet’s Disease at 0.6mg twice daily. This therapeutic dose has the capability of killing people who don’t require everything but platelets removed from their blood stream. If you are poisoned by Colchicine, there is no antidote, and you will die similarly to as if you had taken Arsenic.

Bottom line: DON’T USE COLCHICINE FOR ANYTHING BUT FOR WHAT IT IS PRESCRIBED. IT IS A SPINDLE/MITOTIC POISON.
 

Moldy

Well-Known Member
I take colchicine for Behçet’s Disease at 0.6mg twice daily. This therapeutic dose has the capability of killing people who don’t require everything but platelets removed from their blood stream. If you are poisoned by Colchicine, there is no antidote, and you will die similarly to as if you had taken Arsenic.

Bottom line: DON’T USE COLCHICINE FOR ANYTHING BUT FOR WHAT IT IS PRESCRIBED. IT IS A SPINDLE/MITOTIC POISON.
I took 20 pills (0.6 mg) in two hours. This is after I questioned the pharmacist on his dosage directions and he was positive that was correct. Puked my guts out for a couple of days then did the hospital route for 3 more days. I've lived through an airplane crash too so just lucky I guess.
 

vostok

Well-Known Member
I once tried making my own Colchicine but was prooved too dangerous,

I got ill boiling it up outta plants bulbs back in the 80's

fucken sick as .....lol avoid!
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
I have Colchicum Autumnale / Autumn Crocus growing in my yard.

Nice crocus like flowers in the fall. Beautiful plant.
 

thenotsoesoteric

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I'd highly recommend it if you have gout, it's effective and fairly safe if your stupid pharmacist doesn't fuck up the dosage directions. You're supposed to take 1 pill every hour until you puke, not one pill every five minutes until you puke, doh!!
Are you serious? The direction are take a pill an hour until you vomit? That's extreme, lol. I hope you never have to do that again buddy.
 
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