CRI test and Mcree weighted results

puffenuff

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They are getting close. The high CRIs and the 3000/80 are finishing first, closely followed by 3500/80. The 3000/70 is maybe 5-6 days behind. It will all be coming down within the next week.
How is this being gauged?
 

Rahz

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How is this being gauged?
Ripeness? Just by appearance. The 3000/70 was the last to show red stigmas. The 3000/80 is in between the two high CRIs so that could be the reason it's finishing as quick as they are. Keep in mind the veg time was accidentally extended and the lamps ended up being raised above the partitions. None of the figures will be exact representations but I will publish them for examination.
 

BuddyColas

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This thread is gold man props Rahz. Waiting for the yield results!
I second that. Good on ya Rahz. My take aways thus far are that the "Emerson Effect" with the increased rate of photosynthesis is clear and observable. I think the plants under the 90 cri could have been put into flower soon...saving both time and money on the power.

And doing the math, the 80 and 90 cri cobs put down about the same number of photons. It's just that some of the 90 cri cobs photons are out of the traditional PAR spectrum. Turns out the lie right in the Emerson Effect spectrum!

Great thread.
 

Nenno44

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This isn't scientific at all but I have noticed with my grows that adding some 2700k 90cri to my 3500 80cri did speed up my time a little. Then I got a little more speed by adding 730nm at lights out. This first grow finished 9 days faster under this new set up. Second grow just started. Sorry not trying to hijack. I am very excited to see the results Rahz gets with his tests.
 

wietefras

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The Emerson effect is when 700Nm and 670Nm wavelengths are combined. So, not "above 700Nm", but around 700Nm.

Emerson (and McCree) demonstrated that plants do little to nothing with wavelengths above 700Nm. Emerson even more so.
 

Rahz

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9 days!

any difference in weight or quality?
I don't know yet, but I'm told the tall plants had bushed out and were shading the 3000K 70 and 80 CRI samples so I don't think the weight will be relevant at all. The 3500/80 was not shaded and I'm told it's not going to be the best of the bunch so that is something worth considering.

The tester is willing to do a second run so there will be another test with proper controls.
 

cdgmoney250

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The Emerson effect is when 700Nm and 670Nm wavelengths are combined. So, not "above 700Nm", but around 700Nm.

Emerson (and McCree) demonstrated that plants do little to nothing with wavelengths above 700Nm. Emerson even more so.
I've read a few studies that have found light wavelengths of >780nm will elicit photosynthesis and stimulate photosystems 1 & 2, with most activity dropping off sharply <740nm.

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272805001192
 

BuddyColas

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The Emerson effect is when 700Nm and 670Nm wavelengths are combined. So, not "above 700Nm", but around 700Nm.

Emerson (and McCree) demonstrated that plants do little to nothing with wavelengths above 700Nm. Emerson even more so.
OK, but how do you explain the rather large difference between the plants under the 90 cri cobs and the others?
 

wietefras

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I've read a few studies that have found light wavelengths of >780nm will elicit photosynthesis and stimulate photosystems 1 & 2, with most activity dropping off sharply <740nm.

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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272805001192
Then why do you post two charts showing that the quantum yield drops to zero right around 700Nm?

Just to be clear, you need to look at the circles and diamonds. The solid and dashed lines are absorptance figures which just mean it doesn't get reflected. The circles and diamonds show if the plant actually does something with the light and that plummets to close to 0.
 

Stephenj37826

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Then why do you post two charts showing that the quantum yield drops to zero right around 700Nm?

Just to be clear, you need to look at the circles and diamonds. The solid and dashed lines are absorptance figures which just mean it doesn't get reflected. The circles and diamonds show if the plant actually does something with the light and that plummets to close to 0.

Photosynthesis is at 10% @ 710nm and 1% @ 720nm when used alone.

But...... When used in conjunction with 650-660nm....... Those wavelengths are more effective.
 

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cdgmoney250

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Then why do you post two charts showing that the quantum yield drops to zero right around 700Nm?
I guess we have different ideas of what 0 means.
I won't try to convince you, maybe just read the article cited? They do a much better job at explaining than I could.
 

BuddyColas

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This isn't scientific at all but I have noticed with my grows that adding some 2700k 90cri to my 3500 80cri did speed up my time a little. Then I got a little more speed by adding 730nm at lights out. This first grow finished 9 days faster under this new set up. Second grow just started. Sorry not trying to hijack. I am very excited to see the results Rahz gets with his tests.
So you're saying 9 days shorter flower time with a strain you have grown before under the new light setup? That's huge on say a typical 8 week or so flower time. And it would shorten your veg time as well.

I read a lot, but I also put a lot of weight in personal observation in the garden!
 
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Nenno44

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So you're saying 9 days shorter flower time with a strain you have grown before under the new light setup? That's huge on say a typical 8 week or so flower time. And it would shorten your veg time as well.

I read a lot, but I also put a lot of weight in personal observation in the garden!
yes I have grow this before. And to be fare it has almost always been like 10 weeks on the dot until this last run
 

BuddyColas

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yes I have grow this before. And to be fare it has almost always been like 10 weeks on the dot until this last run
Sweet! I like that you have multiple grows of the same strain to compare. Who knows, maybe 8 weeks and change will be the new normal!
 
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