Criticism only makes trump more powerful

HAF2

Well-Known Member
I have a hard time agreeing with this article because I feel the criticism of trump is necessary. But it's an interesting opinion. A possible explaination to why his base continues to support this enept blow-hard.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/commentary/2017/04/30/criticism-only-makes-trump-more-powerful-watt.html

Yesterday marked one of the first key milestones of the Donald Trump presidency: his first 100 days. It has been a turbulent introduction that has seen the new president break political orthodoxy and upend conventional wisdom.

And yet, 101 days in, the media and political establishment are no closer to understanding that they are witnessing a fundamental shift in the ground underneath them.

After spending a full year gloating about Trump’s impending humiliation at the election polls, the media and Washington elite were stunned to discover that Americans had shunned their wisdom and opted for Trump.

Their initial shock has now given way to a new resistance, which has seen Congress, the judiciary and the media each attempt, in their own ways, to foil the often ham-fisted and haphazard policy advances of the Trump White House.

Members of the establishment believe their resistance is grounded in a rousing defence of democracy, and that they are fighting out of patriotic duty. They have identified Trump’s moves as borderline authoritarian and say that because he won a smaller percentage of the popular vote than Hillary Clinton, his mandate should be viewed as specious.

It isn’t quite as noble a fight in the eyes of the millions of Americans who voted to install Trump as president. To them it comes across as churlish, reinforcing their belief that elitist America is willing to go to any lengths to maintain a status quo that simply isn’t working for them.

In the immediate aftermath of the election, and in the shadow of Brexit, I wrote that, with the media and political establishment desperately out of touch with voters, a reckoning was needed.

Six months later, it appears that the resistance to such a reckoning has only hardened.

Every political setback Donald Trump has faced has been trumpeted as yet more evidence that he is unfit to govern. Each one has convinced the establishment that, this time, the American people have finally recognized their foolish mistake in electing him president.

His immigration directives have been blocked by the judiciary. His ramshackle, poorly thought out health-care proposals failed to pass Congress. His administration is mocked for its incessant errors and outright lies in the media.

There have been widespread protests, social media storms and wall-to-wall coverage of Trump’s mistakes and failures.

But just what is it that this reaction demonstrates?

It demonstrates the disconnect between the reality for middle Americans and the reality for the American establishment. After all, despite the gnashing of the establishment’s teeth, those Americans who voted for Trump overwhelmingly think he’s doing a good job.

A recent poll found that, were the election held today, Trump would actually have defeated Clinton in the popular vote. The same poll found that of the voters who had voted Trump, only 2 per cent said they regretted voting for him, with 96 per cent saying that their vote for him had been “the right thing to do.”

Those are hardly numbers reflective of an electorate consumed with buyers’ remorse.

And yet, the tone and tenor of the coverage of President Trump has not shifted in any meaningful way. The media continues to loudly question the legitimacy of his presidency, the reasonableness of his policies and the integrity of his character.

It’s a full-on war against the president.

The problem for many of the president’s critics is that many Americans feel this is actually a war on them. Each attack on Trump is taken as an attack on their own values and beliefs.

At their core, these attacks only serve to further drive Trump supporters into his sphere of influence.

By continuing to engage in this activist, anti-Trump narrative, the establishment is only empowering a president it openly despises.

Let there be no mistake: this is a president who is deeply flawed. He is inconsistent, mendacious, self-aggrandizing and flippant. He does not appear to care about policy so much as he cares about the advancement of his own legacy.

This is a president who should be shedding support minute by minute.

But the establishment stance toward him only serves to solidify his standing among his supporters. We knew this six months ago and yet nothing has changed.

Forget Ivanka; the establishment’s daily criticisms of the president may indeed be his best asset.
 

HAF2

Well-Known Member
"The problem for many of the president’s critics is that many Americans feel this is actually a war on them. Each attack on Trump is taken as an attack on their own values and beliefs."

Trump played into the existing beliefs that many Americans held. Blame other people. America of 50 years ago was better than the America of today. That liberal ideas and laws are ruining America. That environmental protections are slowing down American progress.

How is anyone ever going to get through to these people? They won't trust the news. Thy won't trust science. They won't trust trump critics. What the hell do you do to change someone's mind that has no want to being changed? Because it's their belief. Their sense of self.


“I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should be malleable and progressive, working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth. New ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant.”
- Dogma, 1999
 

Heil Tweetler

Well-Known Member
I have a hard time agreeing with this article because I feel the criticism of trump is necessary. But it's an interesting opinion. A possible explaination to why his base continues to support this enept blow-hard.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/commentary/2017/04/30/criticism-only-makes-trump-more-powerful-watt.html

Yesterday marked one of the first key milestones of the Donald Trump presidency: his first 100 days. It has been a turbulent introduction that has seen the new president break political orthodoxy and upend conventional wisdom.

And yet, 101 days in, the media and political establishment are no closer to understanding that they are witnessing a fundamental shift in the ground underneath them.

After spending a full year gloating about Trump’s impending humiliation at the election polls, the media and Washington elite were stunned to discover that Americans had shunned their wisdom and opted for Trump.

Their initial shock has now given way to a new resistance, which has seen Congress, the judiciary and the media each attempt, in their own ways, to foil the often ham-fisted and haphazard policy advances of the Trump White House.

Members of the establishment believe their resistance is grounded in a rousing defence of democracy, and that they are fighting out of patriotic duty. They have identified Trump’s moves as borderline authoritarian and say that because he won a smaller percentage of the popular vote than Hillary Clinton, his mandate should be viewed as specious.

It isn’t quite as noble a fight in the eyes of the millions of Americans who voted to install Trump as president. To them it comes across as churlish, reinforcing their belief that elitist America is willing to go to any lengths to maintain a status quo that simply isn’t working for them.

In the immediate aftermath of the election, and in the shadow of Brexit, I wrote that, with the media and political establishment desperately out of touch with voters, a reckoning was needed.

Six months later, it appears that the resistance to such a reckoning has only hardened.

Every political setback Donald Trump has faced has been trumpeted as yet more evidence that he is unfit to govern. Each one has convinced the establishment that, this time, the American people have finally recognized their foolish mistake in electing him president.

His immigration directives have been blocked by the judiciary. His ramshackle, poorly thought out health-care proposals failed to pass Congress. His administration is mocked for its incessant errors and outright lies in the media.

There have been widespread protests, social media storms and wall-to-wall coverage of Trump’s mistakes and failures.

But just what is it that this reaction demonstrates?

It demonstrates the disconnect between the reality for middle Americans and the reality for the American establishment. After all, despite the gnashing of the establishment’s teeth, those Americans who voted for Trump overwhelmingly think he’s doing a good job.

A recent poll found that, were the election held today, Trump would actually have defeated Clinton in the popular vote. The same poll found that of the voters who had voted Trump, only 2 per cent said they regretted voting for him, with 96 per cent saying that their vote for him had been “the right thing to do.”

Those are hardly numbers reflective of an electorate consumed with buyers’ remorse.

And yet, the tone and tenor of the coverage of President Trump has not shifted in any meaningful way. The media continues to loudly question the legitimacy of his presidency, the reasonableness of his policies and the integrity of his character.

It’s a full-on war against the president.

The problem for many of the president’s critics is that many Americans feel this is actually a war on them. Each attack on Trump is taken as an attack on their own values and beliefs.

At their core, these attacks only serve to further drive Trump supporters into his sphere of influence.

By continuing to engage in this activist, anti-Trump narrative, the establishment is only empowering a president it openly despises.

Let there be no mistake: this is a president who is deeply flawed. He is inconsistent, mendacious, self-aggrandizing and flippant. He does not appear to care about policy so much as he cares about the advancement of his own legacy.

This is a president who should be shedding support minute by minute.

But the establishment stance toward him only serves to solidify his standing among his supporters. We knew this six months ago and yet nothing has changed.

Forget Ivanka; the establishment’s daily criticisms of the president may indeed be his best asset.
(pic from article)


Room is full of fucking white, bald old heads. Nothing against bald heads except when they are empty.


"Trump talks the talk that his followers want to hear. They do not care if he walks the walk. They already know government is dysfunctional. They see their lot worsening even with Republican majorities in Congress and a Republican President.

As they circle the drain, they want someone who will "Rage, rage at the dying of the light.", as their deal with the aristocracy to restore them to a white, Christian patriarchy in exchange for putting up with a bare subsistence is repeatedly broken.

Trump's feigned tirades on their behalf is what morphine is to someone on the verge of oblivion."*

*wapo


Mr. Minhaj said. “Because Donald Trump doesn’t care about free speech. The man who tweets everything that enters his head refuses to acknowledge the amendment that allows him to do it.”
 
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schuylaar

Well-Known Member
I have a hard time agreeing with this article because I feel the criticism of trump is necessary. But it's an interesting opinion. A possible explaination to why his base continues to support this enept blow-hard.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.thestar.com/amp/opinion/commentary/2017/04/30/criticism-only-makes-trump-more-powerful-watt.html

Yesterday marked one of the first key milestones of the Donald Trump presidency: his first 100 days. It has been a turbulent introduction that has seen the new president break political orthodoxy and upend conventional wisdom.

And yet, 101 days in, the media and political establishment are no closer to understanding that they are witnessing a fundamental shift in the ground underneath them.

After spending a full year gloating about Trump’s impending humiliation at the election polls, the media and Washington elite were stunned to discover that Americans had shunned their wisdom and opted for Trump.

Their initial shock has now given way to a new resistance, which has seen Congress, the judiciary and the media each attempt, in their own ways, to foil the often ham-fisted and haphazard policy advances of the Trump White House.

Members of the establishment believe their resistance is grounded in a rousing defence of democracy, and that they are fighting out of patriotic duty. They have identified Trump’s moves as borderline authoritarian and say that because he won a smaller percentage of the popular vote than Hillary Clinton, his mandate should be viewed as specious.

It isn’t quite as noble a fight in the eyes of the millions of Americans who voted to install Trump as president. To them it comes across as churlish, reinforcing their belief that elitist America is willing to go to any lengths to maintain a status quo that simply isn’t working for them.

In the immediate aftermath of the election, and in the shadow of Brexit, I wrote that, with the media and political establishment desperately out of touch with voters, a reckoning was needed.

Six months later, it appears that the resistance to such a reckoning has only hardened.

Every political setback Donald Trump has faced has been trumpeted as yet more evidence that he is unfit to govern. Each one has convinced the establishment that, this time, the American people have finally recognized their foolish mistake in electing him president.

His immigration directives have been blocked by the judiciary. His ramshackle, poorly thought out health-care proposals failed to pass Congress. His administration is mocked for its incessant errors and outright lies in the media.

There have been widespread protests, social media storms and wall-to-wall coverage of Trump’s mistakes and failures.

But just what is it that this reaction demonstrates?

It demonstrates the disconnect between the reality for middle Americans and the reality for the American establishment. After all, despite the gnashing of the establishment’s teeth, those Americans who voted for Trump overwhelmingly think he’s doing a good job.

A recent poll found that, were the election held today, Trump would actually have defeated Clinton in the popular vote. The same poll found that of the voters who had voted Trump, only 2 per cent said they regretted voting for him, with 96 per cent saying that their vote for him had been “the right thing to do.”

Those are hardly numbers reflective of an electorate consumed with buyers’ remorse.

And yet, the tone and tenor of the coverage of President Trump has not shifted in any meaningful way. The media continues to loudly question the legitimacy of his presidency, the reasonableness of his policies and the integrity of his character.

It’s a full-on war against the president.

The problem for many of the president’s critics is that many Americans feel this is actually a war on them. Each attack on Trump is taken as an attack on their own values and beliefs.

At their core, these attacks only serve to further drive Trump supporters into his sphere of influence.

By continuing to engage in this activist, anti-Trump narrative, the establishment is only empowering a president it openly despises.

Let there be no mistake: this is a president who is deeply flawed. He is inconsistent, mendacious, self-aggrandizing and flippant. He does not appear to care about policy so much as he cares about the advancement of his own legacy.

This is a president who should be shedding support minute by minute.

But the establishment stance toward him only serves to solidify his standing among his supporters. We knew this six months ago and yet nothing has changed.

Forget Ivanka; the establishment’s daily criticisms of the president may indeed be his best asset.
1-While Trump ended up president, he was hardly elected. Millions stayed home who would normally vote i.e. Boycott combined with Clinton win of the popular and Hamiltons EC to save us from the uneducated farmer gave us Trump. Period.

2-Not being critical?:lol: is the quickest way to add another dictator to the word roster.

3-Polling found that Sanders would beat Trump because the Clinton margin was within error. But we knew this..right?

But we knew this..right? But we KNEW this..right? BUT WE KNEW THIS..RIGHT?:wall:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/10/new-polling-shows-sanders-not-clinton-most-formidable-against-trump

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/05/polls-sanders-potential-beat-trump-160514170035436.html

http://www.thestate.com/news/databases/article77396342.html

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HAF2

Well-Known Member
1-While Trump ended up president, he was hardly elected. Millions stayed home who would normally vote i.e. Boycott combined with Clinton win of the popular and Hamiltons EC to save us from the uneducated farmer gave us Trump. Period.

2-Not being critical?:lol: is the quickest way to add another dictator to the word roster.

3-Polling found that Sanders would beat Trump because the Clinton margin was within error. But we knew this..right?

But we knew this..right? But we KNEW this..right? BUT WE KNEW THIS..RIGHT?:wall:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/10/new-polling-shows-sanders-not-clinton-most-formidable-against-trump

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/05/polls-sanders-potential-beat-trump-160514170035436.html

http://www.thestate.com/news/databases/article77396342.html

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All those articles were from a year ago.

It did mention in one, since Bernie sanders was not in a campaign against trump, that he had a much lower negative rating since he was never the subject of negative ads by the opposition.

I think its pretty hard to speculate that he would have beaten trump, when he wasn't in the race.

Is he running in 2020?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
All those articles were from a year ago.

It did mention in one, since Bernie sanders was not in a campaign against trump, that he had a much lower negative rating since he was never the subject of negative ads by the opposition.

I think its pretty hard to speculate that he would have beaten trump, when he wasn't in the race.

Is he running in 2020?
Is polling speculation? If it is, how come polls predicted Clintons margin was within margin of error? It was.

Why DO we poll?

I gave you three cites that during primaries, based on polling, clearly proved Clinton to be the underdog against Trump..amirite @Padawanbater2?

We sat here, argued it and watched what was predicted, unfold right in front of our eyes; right down to the letter.
 
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HAF2

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Is polling speculation? If it is, how come polls predicted Clintons margin was within margin of error? It was.

Why DO we poll?

I gave you three cites that based on polling, clearly proved Clinton to be the underdog against Trump..amirite @Padawanbater2?
The polls were from April/ May of 2016. Also without an actual campaign.

I would like to have seen how Bernie would have fared against trump. If he runs against him in 2020, we will see how he does.
 

SneekyNinja

Well-Known Member
Is polling speculation? If it is, how come polls predicted Clintons margin was within margin of error? It was.

Why DO we poll?

I gave you three cites that during primaries, based on polling, clearly proved Clinton to be the underdog against Trump..amirite @Padawanbater2?

We sat here, argued it and watched what was predicted, unfold right in front of our eyes right; down to the letter.
Is that why Clinton got 12.3% more votes?

Seriously, drop the Sanders bullshit. If anything it proves how delusional you are, all at the same time as criticising Trump for being same.

The "empty can makes the most noise" phrase was coined for people like you.

How haven't you learnt that most polls are fucking meaningless, platitudes, "fake news"?

It was polls that suggested an "easy Clinton victory" that kept alot of people home and gave us Orange Hitler.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Is that why Clinton got 12.3% more votes?

Seriously, drop the Sanders bullshit. If anything it proves how delusional you are, all at the same time as criticising Trump for being same.

The "empty can makes the most noise" phrase was coined for people like you.

How haven't you learnt that most polls are fucking meaningless, platitudes, "fake news"?

It was polls that suggested an "easy Clinton victory" that kept alot of people home and gave us Orange Hitler.
I gave citations..where's yours, SneeringNinja? Are you sure you're not a rightie?
 

srh88

Well-Known Member
since Bernie sanders was not in a campaign against trump, that he had a much lower negative rating since he was never the subject of negative ads by the opposition.

I think its pretty hard to speculate that he would have beaten trump, when he wasn't in the race.
This is a really good point. All the Bernie supporters are running off of would of, should of could of's.. noone knows what would of happened. Universal health, school and what not.. basically Bernie's whole platform. All Trump would have to do would be run an ad about taxes. Rednecks would be as or more pissed off than they were with Clinton.
Also I doubt he will run in 2020. Whoever makes it into office is going to have to really dedicate some time to cleaning up the mess caused by trump. Basically the same as Obama after Bush.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
The polls were from April/ May of 2016. Also without an actual campaign.

I would like to have seen how Bernie would have fared against trump. If he runs against him in 2020, we will see how he does.
That's the whole point. They were during the primary.
 

SneekyNinja

Well-Known Member
This is a really good point. All the Bernie supporters are running off of would of, should of could of's.. noone know what would of happened. Universal health, school and what not.. basically Bernie's whole platform. All Trump would have to do would be run an ad about taxes. Rednecks would be as or more pissed off than they were with Clinton.
Also I doubt he will run in 2020. Whoever makes it into office is going to have to really dedicate some time to cleaning up the mess caused by trump. Basically the same as Obama after Bush.
They keep posting a poll from Fox News saying Sanders is the most popular politician in the country...

They're too far gone.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
So why did he lose by a massive amount?

12.3% to be exact, you keep ignoring that.

You're fake news, Flaming Sky.
Actually, you're the one ignoring 'why', because you've been told time and time again.

Pure, white hot, unadulterated greed.

Thank Hillary Clinton and crew..she is THE reason we have Trump.

I better not see her fucking face again.
 
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