Democratic Voters Are Done with Party Centrists—and the Progressives Are a Majority

Fogdog

Fogdog

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KillerIndica said:
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dems-want-ditch-leaders-and-move-left

Toss your own salad, centrists. Centrism is surrender.
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Obama was a right winger?

The article just rehashed a lot of stuff that's been discussed here for years. The premise is, 52% of the party who want it to go farther left should decide everything. The 48% who don't, what about them? Where do they live? Are they living in conservative states? Do you think the Democratic party can take back congress by going farther left than the people in those states want? Each state selects its own representation. What plays well in California isn't going to do well in Michigan or Wisconsin, where there are a lot of more moderate Democrats and the states themselves are conservative..

You aren't communist or even very far left if you are a Sanders supporter. Sanders isn't even centrist when it comes to social justice, in that regard, he's a conservative. What you are is another fucking authoritarian lefty who mistakes the volume of voice for a powerful idea.
 
ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Obama was a right winger?

The article just rehashed a lot of stuff that's been discussed here for years. The premise is, 52% of the party who want it to go farther left should decide everything. The 48% who don't, what about them? Where do they live? Are they living in conservative states? Do you think the Democratic party can take back congress by going farther left than the people in those states want? Each state selects its own representation. What plays well in California isn't going to do well in Michigan or Wisconsin, where there are a lot of more moderate Democrats and the states themselves are conservative..

You aren't communist or even very far left if you are a Sanders supporter. Sanders isn't even centrist when it comes to social justice, in that regard, he's a conservative. What you are is another fucking authoritarian lefty who mistakes the volume of voice for a powerful idea.
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Obama was a self described Reagan Republican.

You've got your lefts and rights mixed up again.

Bernie is a centrist.

Authoritarians are on the right.

He's a centrist on social justice issues, unless of course college and Medicare for everyone suddenly became Progressive.

Are you politically dyslexic?
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Obama was a self described Reagan Republican.

You've got your lefts and rights mixed up again.

Bernie is a centrist.

Authoritarians are on the right.

He's a centrist on social justice issues, unless of course college and Medicare for everyone suddenly became Progressive.

Are you politically dyslexic?
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Oh no, you demonstrate quite clearly that authoritarians can be on the left. Authoritarian is just an autocratic attitude toward central authority and can be just as obnoxious whether the program is socialized economy or capitalist. You and others demand your way or the highway. Killer Indica promotes wholesale murder. He's a Sanders supporter too. Rather than accept that each state should elect whomever they want, you guys demand every Democrat sign pledges to refuse legal campaign contributions. Rather than be happy that Sanders mediocre health care bill received the most co-sponsors ever, your gang demands leaders such as Pelosi resign because she differed with Sanders approach. The bill isn' even finished and you demand fealty.. How authoritarian is that?

Obama wasn't conservative you idiot. Socializing health care as Sanders plans to do isn't centrist either. Do you even read what you write?
 
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Justin-case

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Fogdog said:
Oh no, you demonstrate quite clearly that authoritarians can be on the left. It's just a different attitude toward central authority and can be just as obnoxious whether the program is socialized economy or capitalist. You and others demand your way or the highway. Killer Indica promotes wholesale murder. He's a Sanders supporter too. Rather than accept that each state should elect whomever they want, you guys demand every Democrat sign pledges to refuse legal campaign contributions. Rather than be happy that Sanders mediocre health care bill received the most co-sponsors ever, your gang demands leaders such as Pelosi resign because she differed with Sanders approach. The bill isn' even finished and you demand fealty.. How authoritarian is that?

Obama wasn't conservative you idiot. Socializing health care as Sanders plans to do isn't centrist either. Do you even read what you write?
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If Bernie is a centrist who is on the left of him?
 
londonfog

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ttystikk said:
Obama was a self described Reagan Republican.

You've got your lefts and rights mixed up again.

Bernie is a centrist.

Authoritarians are on the right.

He's a centrist on social justice issues, unless of course college and Medicare for everyone suddenly became Progressive.

Are you politically dyslexic?
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You were about 14-15 when Ronald ran for POTUS. Please do tell how Reagan and Obama are the same.
Did you misunderstand his quote when he stated that his economic policies are "so mainstream" he'd be considered a moderate Republican in the 1980s.
Serious guy stay away from politics. You are pretty ignorant to this.
 
Fogdog

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Justin-case said:
If Bernie is a centrist who is on the left of him?
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Bernie is no radical leftist either. The Green Party is farther left than Bernie. Anybody who advocates for a universal basic income and the right to housing would be to the left. We had a local issue on the ballot last year that held local municipalities had the right to refuse state and federal laws. It pertained to GMOs but if sustained in courts would have opened up a can of worms for federalists.

I've seen some describe Pelosi as being slightly to the left of Sanders.
 
Abiqua

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Fogdog said:
Speaking of assholes, how many million did you say you want to murder? 70 million or so?
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"Speaking of assholes, how many million did you say you want to murder? 70 million or so?" - Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili
 
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