Develop an AUTO-TOPPING strain :D

lalaman33333

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Ok, i have two babies, both the same strain (bagseed/came from the same nug) and BOTH turned out to be one of those semi-rare plants that hit their 3rd or 4th leaf set and split into two tops with NO damage, and NO intentional topping. They look like little Bonzai tress :D...well anyway, im just wondering if i end up with a male AND female and breed them, then do the same with any auto-toppers that germinate from the "children" seeds, if i can maybe develop an AUTO-TOPPING strain the same way they developed the auto-flowering strains ? how long/generations of plants do you think it will take to isolate the auto-topper mutation, at least with some degree of certainty so that i can say 'Hey man, if you want a cool plant try out these seeds, they top themselves!" I mean i can see the potential of Auto-toppers, as there was NO day or two of growth halt like if you were to artificially top them, they just split into two tops and kept right on a growing, it could increase yeild, yet LOWER total veg time, which in turn means less time from Germination to Harvest, which im sure EVERYONE would enjoy (im thinking even if it takes a couple years, i may have quite the money making oportunity on my hands if i ACTUALLY succesfully pull off the isolation of an Auto-topping phenotype)


if it works ima call it "Dual-terror"
 

lalaman33333

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yea, i figured bout 2 years or more, but if i can do is succesfully, i may have the next big thing after autoflowers on my hands :D

unless someone already started and is gonna beat me to the punch...but its weird, as the grower i get the seeds from had never experienced the auto-toppers, he grows from ordered seeds....no idea what strain, id have to ask him, and i grow from the seeds he produces, as his outdoor grows are too large to possibly get ALL the males culled, so about half his plants always have seeds, he sells the seeded ones as mid, which i buy to smoke, and for the seeds, and it is THESE seeds that produce the auto-toppers, i dont know, but the only thing i can come up with is that his crops always have really restricted access (as in plants REALLY close together creating heat stress) and he frows in really REALLY rocky soil, but whatever he is doing, his seeds produce about 1/3 auto-toppers, so the way i see it, 1/3 of my work is already done, dont know what hes doing, but hes doing it right and is getting me auto-toppers :D, and since i finally got 2 in one batch which means a good chance of a male and female auto-topper, ima breed them, and by my logic (probably wrong) about 2/3 of the seeds should be auto-toppers, if i cull the ones that ARE NOT auto-toppers and ONLY breed the the remaining auto-topperd, would each succesful generation produce MORE and MORE auto-toppers than the last? untill i finally reach a generation where ALL auto-top, and at that point i would breed THOSE 100% aut-toppers with each other and start sellling the seeds <---Its a question, just in the form of Half statement Half question lol
 

lalaman33333

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lol, i have seen them like that before quite commonly, i think yours is more stress/ genetic instablilty related. I thought mine were too at first until i kept getting them no matter what the conditions, and most the plants from these seeds i grow out do perfectly fine and go about the production of true leaves just fine lol. In fact, i put these 21 seeds in a most paper towl 5 days ago. and they are ALREADY an inch tall, with fully formed 1st set of true leaves, it boggled my mind, NEVER have i had that high of a success ratio (21/23) NOR have i EVER had plants germ, root, and sprout, then continue to mature this fast. Im excited to see what the change to my new soil holds in store for me. already seeing growth rates about 10 times that i usually got, and if i end up with very few to NO autotoppers, i will then know i was stressing them into it, if i still get em, then i know its genetic and potentially an isolatable trait... i thought mine were odd because ALL the auto-toppers seems to be topping at about 2 inches of the ground, which seemed really early to me, and forces them to become super dense bushes while their normally growing siblings just grow up like a normal old indica. only becoming bushes if you MAKE them lol

The auto topper i had died at the hands of a mouse that somehow made it into my gro box :( but all is not lost

on another note, a germed 23 seeds from this grower...and 21 popped, they are under high output t8's right now, as soon as they show auto topping or normal characteristics, i will cull all the normal ones, set them directly into flower after that under 2700k cfl's, take the healthiest looking male and female and transplant them outside to re-veg, flower, and reproduce naturally outdorrs this fall :D (of course they will be planted close enough together to reproduce by means of wind, but with enough space inbetween for air to circulate to avoid heat stress. And when the seeds are mature, i will harvest, and hopefully already have some dank from indoors, and after de-seeding the female auto-topper, i should have some schwaggy ass reg for a rainy day xD, but a nice stock of what will hopefully be seeds with a higher auto-topping ratio....i will repeat this indoors throughout the winter spring and next summer, and maybe by summer 2014 i will be able to unveil the First garunteed auto topping strain :D

the remaing auto topping males will be culled, and the females flowered left indoors will stay in early flower for a small SOG
 

mary.jane71

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on your theory of more and more auto-toppers, it would completely depend on whether the auto-topping gene is dominant or recessive..
 
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