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Do you believe in God?

Discussion in 'Spirituality & Sexuality & Philosophy' started by tortie, Jul 24, 2014.

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Do you believe in God?

  1. Yes

    50 vote(s)
    31.4%
  2. No

    98 vote(s)
    61.6%
  3. Maybe

    11 vote(s)
    6.9%
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    Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member

    Actually you don't get to tell atheists what they believe. Not believing in god simply means being unconvinced. If you want to convince people you have to provide actual evidence or cogent reasoning, not simply shame them for something they may or may not believe.

    Knowing someone is atheist tells you what they don't believe, not what they do.
     
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    Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member

    When did God start? Using God to explain the beginning of everything doesn't actually explain anything. It simply leaves us with the same question. You've only inserted your concept of God into the mystery without actually solving the mystery.
     
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    StonerCol

    StonerCol Well-Known Member

    Pretty much, yeah.
    It makes much more sense to me than a God.

    :peace: :leaf:
     
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    BrewerT

    BrewerT Member

    What kind of God creates a human with a fate to die a horrible drowning in say a tsunami at say 5 months of age? Or should I reckon, what type of God ( whom is omnipotent, all knowing, all loving) would fail to intervene in the face of human tragedy and suffering? Mind you, this fate of yours is purposely designed as so.

    If you think, for even one moment of your life, that you were created and left here on this ball of space debris, by a God who created you with a purpose and a likeness in his own image, then I have a test that I would like you to partake in. This test will walk you out of unreasonable reasoning!

    Step 1 : Go to Alaska in the winter time. Find a far away place, far removed from any humans. Then strip yourself completely naked....you know, as you came into this reality.

    Step 2 : At this point you are probably going to want to entertain your faith in a God....feel free to. Pray, Pray Hard. Pray until oh I don't know...you perish...a horrible, painfully slow, freezing death. As your prayer investment shows no tangible return, you will hopefully realize how much of your precious mental real estate this unreasonable faith has cost you. Your god will prove to be , like all gods, absent, and no so efficient. Which, for the record is defined as

    preventing the wasteful use of a particular resource.( oh idk how about your life, mind, happiness,etc.)
    suffix: -efficient
    "an energy-efficient heating system"


    Step 3: Right before the lights go out for good....thank your GOOD GOD for this purpose filled designed fate :) And by religious reasoning, you will see god soon and be able to thank him for the fate, the good and hard times, the ears for prayers, the sins being forgiven, and again, thank him for letting you be the lucky one to get the fate of freeze to death!!!! Very loving act obviously!

    Step 4 : I bet you cant, and won't! This goes for any human living, or to come! If religious people were to put their very life where they put so much faith, we wouldn't have a world filled with mindless, unquestioning, believers in the unreasonable.


    If you remove the spiritual value that is held in religion, religion can be a subjective idea that is easily reasoned to not be true.

    Especially to the accounts that religions(monotheistic) claim.

    I am 412 years old....in biblical years!

    I am a Veteran of the US Army Infantry. 99% of Infantryman hold no religious faith. When you know your time is dire, the hocus pocus bullshit goes out the window real quick! If you are praying, you are a dead man. Return Fire....especially at religion!
     
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    Venus55

    Venus55 Well-Known Member

    :clap::clap::clap:
     
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    Roger A. Shrubber

    Roger A. Shrubber Well-Known Member

    maybe god decided that if he keeps reaching down and intervening in our poor decisions, then we'll never learn to stop making those decisions. does your mother follow you around giving you advice all day, stopping you from touching the hot stove, keeping you from stepping in dogshit? why should god do it either? we're supposedly his children, i wouldn't think much of a parent that constantly follows his children around cleaning up their mistakes and never letting them learn for themselves
    we sit on our asses allowing people to fuck up the world, then we blame god. get the fuck up and do something about the things you don't like, god helps those who help themselves....but he lets slackers go to hell.
    that being said, i'm not a christian, have big problems with a lot of the stuff in the bible, but that doesn't make me an atheist, just a heathern
     
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    Venus55

    Venus55 Well-Known Member

    Ok. Well let's entertain your reasoning for a moment...
    Ok, yes, what sort of "mother" would continue babying her now grown up children not letting them ever slip up to be able to learn from their mistakes? It's a mother's job to help her children learn from a young age, guide them in the right direction and teach them to make sensible decisions.

    U make the comparison between God and Parent. So tell me, what sort of parent would leave an infant to learn for themselves', to "clean up their own mess", to learn from their own mistakes? Please tell me?
    So if your reasoning is as above, where is the lesson and learning in "a 5mth old drowning in a tsunami" as @Brewer T says? And if there is a lesson to be learned, who is it intended for? The parent or the 5mth old that had no control of its own environment and just drowned? Bit of a harsh way to "guide" your children isn't it.

    And can I address your comment about people helping to create a fucked up world and then blaming it on God or lack of? The fact that we are all contributing to fucking this earth up, is exactly that!! Where the fuck does god whether u believe or not come into it!? Its what we call reality. I can't say I know anyone, believer or not, that blames "God" for their cycle of misfortunes or the gradual man-induced degradation of the earth.

    "And then came human beings. They wanted to cling but there was nothing to cling to."

    Hence "God". God is broad. For me God is Energy. The energy created throughout the entire universe, not just the earth. The universal vibration, and how our atom of existence coincides with those vibrations. And when you're able to hone in on your own energy and direct it in the direction you wish (positive or negative), then that's "God" at work.
    "God" is not an image. God is inside. God is what we CHOOSE it to be. Not what the bible TELLS it to be. Open your mind.

    Peace.
     
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    BrewerT

    BrewerT Member

    Heathen! What kind of God...let us say.. one thats omnipotent, and all loving, say like the Christian God Jesus of Nazareth ( designed his fate to be a immortal earthly JEW) designs you and your earthly fate to be full of poor decisions?? Especially considering its in the likeness and IMAGE of ...this said "God"??? Does that sound like a OMNIPOTENT entity???? Does this reflect the actions of a ALL KNOWING entity???

    Comparing GOD to an Adult Human Parent is similar to comparing Earth to Mars in regards to wine production!

    All monotheistic religions believe God put humans on this earth. They also believe that this said entity put us here with a "purpose" and a prearranged fate, that we can do nothing to override. What our journey brings, is what God has already planned out! So, your God ...put you on earth, to " sit on our asses and allow people to FUBAR shit...and then blame said God for FUBAR"...... This is not the fable and story that humans created, rather God. Or humans very vivid imagination!~
     
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    BrewerT

    BrewerT Member

    What kind of God creates a human with a fate to die a horrible drowning in say a tsunami at say 5 months of age?

    I know I know!!!

    A impotent imagination!
     
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    Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member

    My mother isn't omnipotent. God is said to be all-powerful, all-knowing, and ever present. That means God knew how the world would unfold when he was making it, and had to power to do something about it, but didn't. He could have made it so we are born already knowing the lessons, or he could have made a world where those lessons aren't necessary. The point is that the world we observe is not the sort of world we would expect if God were both all-powerful and benevolent. Instead, it's exactly the same world we would expect to see if there were no God at all.

    And yes, if my mother were omnipotent, she would see to it that I never burn my hand or step in dogshit.

    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

    - Epicurus
     
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    Bombattak

    Bombattak Member

    Ppl always saying "so what created the universe if isnt god?"

    Well ok definitively this question is a mystery that make god lover happy. What if universe has always been there no start no end? Time and mathematic are an human things created by humans. Why the universe had to be created at some point?? Maybe it always been there like an circle that continue non stop. The theory of something that start at X point/time and finish at X point/time, is typically humans theory.

    Well seriously we cant say out of any doubts if god really exist or not but le me tell u a thing... If we talk about the same god as bible/quran talking about lollllll its sc-fiction to the limit. Thora i never studied it.

    Bible- too much errors and anachronism that make it simply a big brick of jokes and nowaday as we know Vatican decide which regulated version will be published you just cant be blind as this in 2017. And i dont even start talking about trinity lolllll.

    Quran- Well this book had 600 yrs to make an updated version of the thora and bible so theorically it should be more serious and near the perfection of the last 2 jokes and guess what, the quran is more serious and errorless than the bible but again you believe or not and i dont believe in this.... Not even 0.000001%.

    Sometime i think to myself why the fuck i dont start my damn own religion called "giveyamoney". Same thing than bible but this time in the story im a god and prayers have to give me their money to go in heaven... Sadly it would work becuz ppl in 2017 are thirsty about these kind of things.

    Peace all
     
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    PCXV

    PCXV Well-Known Member

    Excellent summary. Reading your previous post, I was going to go look for that Epicurus quote, then you supplied it here. 5 stars!
     
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    PCXV

    PCXV Well-Known Member

    Exactly right.
     
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    Venus55

    Venus55 Well-Known Member

    Perfect :clap:
     
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    dandyrandy

    dandyrandy Well-Known Member

    Maybe God should get an account and comment.
     
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    Venus55

    Venus55 Well-Known Member

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    MarWan

    MarWan Well-Known Member

    When we are healthy, have plenty of food , and setting safely in our comfortable homes, we start questioning if God really exists.
    I wonder what would the non believers say when things go wrong and get real serious (getting close to death) say during a flight, or while cruising in the middle of the ocean, or during sickness.
    at that moment when you realize its the end you will instinctively go into autopilot and cry for God's help and start making promises that you'll soon forget if your life gets spared.
     
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    Bombattak

    Bombattak Member

    If you really dont believe in god what would be the point for an atheist to pray god if he's really convinced that there is no god??
     
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    Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member


    This is the old "no atheists in foxholes" canard. It's merely a way for believers to self-validate. They can't come up with any convincing evidence or rational arguments, so they simply pretend that you secretly believe and therefore don't really need to be convinced after all. It's a way of relieving themselves of the burden, and it reveals that some believers are somehow threatened by non belief to the point of denial.

    Of course, they seem to overlook the fact that even if every single person on Earth believed in God, it still wouldn't do anything to prove he exists. It's actually an argument against your mental state, not for it.
     
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    Venus55

    Venus55 Well-Known Member

    When I pray it's to the universe. So yes I would pray for help in a dire situation, just not to the image of a man with long hair, dressed in rags and nailed to a cross. Haha no way in the world. That's the image humans needed as that something to "cling to". A reason to be. And there's nothing wrong with that. Not at all.
     

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