Do you use dyna gro? Need some advice..

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goldberg71b

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MichiganMedGrower said:
What potting mix are you using? And what is your water like? None of the above advice actually works the way it is explained. We feed the soil not the plant. The citation exchange (CEC) in the soil determines what elements are attracted and available. Not what we pour in directly.

Any complete base nute can work well.

I suggest learning about alkalinity and CEC to understand how plants get their elements. And transpiration to see how the environment affects uptake.

Also watering technique and environment will influence the results more than the nutes too.

And adding cal mag may just further clog the roots with unneeded salts. Just like adding extra potassium.
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I'm using 1 bale of pro mix with 1 bag extra course perlite. 50/50 ratio with RO water. I've never used cal mag before. But I picked it up because jacks citrus doesn't have any in it. Then I decided to add it to the soil. This time I'm not adding it to the soil because I'm looking for ways to slightly increase N. This is just a secondary way of adding even less than the kind base.
 
ganjafather27

ganjafather27

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Here is an interview with the president of Dyna-Grow.

Rather than listen to forum "experts" with more experience posting than knowledge of growing here is the owner of a fertilizer company telling the truth about nutes and marijuana.

You can throw away the bloom bottle. He only produced that due to customer demand. Not plants demand. And he admits it here.


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Thanks for this. I'd like to try running fp and pro tekt for a full cycle, do you have any advice or a schedule on how to mix it for coco dtw?

I'm just not sure how much of each and what ppms I should be looking for each week
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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goldberg71b said:
I had to learn the hard way about bloom. Kept reducing and reducing but never eliminated it until I got into a convo with another member here. His comments matched my results but I still couldn't believe that the whole industry pushes the wrong balances. It's worse than propaganda and the simple fact all the wrong ratios have names like bloom or boosters we all think we need it. Or at least I did. I'm done with bloom.

As a beginner who wouldn't want to flower without a bloom product? And holy shit if I could boost that blossom wouldn't that be great ! But that's not what they do like dude said some could be toxic.
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I missed your comment.

The ratio is important. It needs to be more balanced than a high phosphorous pk leaning one.

Some are ok. Kind Bloom is 4-6-6. And has the nitrogen and calcium in a seperate bottle so you can adjust the nitrogen amount.

I had the same flowering results using only Kind base and grow and their base and bloom. But I preferred the veg results from the base and bloom. 3-1-2 is seems perfect for foliage.

But I still only use pure Blend Pro Grow. Works as well all through.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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ganjafather27 said:
Thanks for this. I'd like to try running fp and pro tekt for a full cycle, do you have any advice or a schedule on how to mix it for coco dtw?

I'm just not sure how much of each and what ppms I should be looking for each week
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No one can tell you that. Every Grow is different.

And I have no coco experience. I know that coco can hold on to magnesium and calcium tightly so some need to add those elements more often. And I inderstand some charge the medium before use.

I always start at about 15-25% of directions and watch the plants. There are only guidelines to follow. Better to learn how the plant works and how the different variables effect their performance.
 
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goldberg71b

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MichiganMedGrower said:
No one can tell you that. Every Grow is different.

And I have no coco experience. I know that coco can hold on to magnesium and calcium tightly so some need to add those elements more often. And I inderstand some charge the medium before use.

I always start at about 15-25% of directions and watch the plants. There are only guidelines to follow. Better to learn how the plant works and how the different variables effect their performance.
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I've always avoided coco because of the cal mag issue. Promix and perlite doesn't do anything like that. That's why I stick with it. It adds nothing and it holds nothing. What I put in is what it makes available to the plant.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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goldberg71b said:
I've always avoided coco because of the cal mag issue. Promix and perlite doesn't do anything like that. That's why I stick with it. It adds nothing and it holds nothing. What I put in is what it makes available to the plant.
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It also has a nice organic base for plants. Coco is dead neutral. Basically a hydro grow in a whisk broom.

But I am sure it can work well like any other technique.
 
smokebros

smokebros

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ganjafather27 said:
Thanks for this. I'd like to try running fp and pro tekt for a full cycle, do you have any advice or a schedule on how to mix it for coco dtw?

I'm just not sure how much of each and what ppms I should be looking for each week
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Dyna Gro is highly concentrated so less is more. If you are growing in coco I'll post a recommended feed chart below. This feed chart was created by Costa Mesa Steve, so I want to give credit where it's deserved. His Feed Chart was developed using Growmore Nutrients, however it works perfectly for Dyna Gro.

Just one other thing to note - the highest my PPM's ever go are about 800, and even then there are only a few strains that can routinely feed that heavy in my experience. You'll want to gradually work your way up.

By the way - when you add 5ML calmag to your RO water it's going to increase the PPM's significantly so don't be scared of that. Follow what I have down below and I can damn near guarantee you'll be really successful with DG. Once you get comfortable then you can start tweaking things.

**I'm assuming you are using R/O water**
If you are using tap water then cut the Calmag down to 2.5ML or even 0 depending on your tap water PPM's.

**If using coco then feed this every watering**
**If using soil then feed this recipe 1x per week, with normal watering in between of just 5ML calmag and RO water + 2.5ML of Recharge**

Week 1 Veg
2ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag (always add 2nd)
2.5ML Protekt (always add first)
2.5ML Recharge (go buy this stuff, it's worth it's weight in gold)

Week 2 Veg
2ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
2.5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 3 Veg
3ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 4, Week 5, & Week 6 Veg
4ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 1 Flower
4ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 2 Flower
5ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 3 Flower
6ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
2.5ML Protekt (last week using Protekt)
2.5ML Recharge

Week 4, Week 5, Week 6, & Week 7 Flower
6ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
2.5ML Recharge

Week 8
2.5ML Recharge
 
BMWEATER

BMWEATER

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smokebros said:
Dyna Gro is highly concentrated so less is more. If you are growing in coco I'll post a recommended feed chart below. This feed chart was created by Costa Mesa Steve, so I want to give credit where it's deserved. His Feed Chart was developed using Growmore Nutrients, however it works perfectly for Dyna Gro.

Just one other thing to note - the highest my PPM's ever go are about 800, and even then there are only a few strains that can routinely feed that heavy in my experience. You'll want to gradually work your way up.

By the way - when you add 5ML calmag to your RO water it's going to increase the PPM's significantly so don't be scared of that. Follow what I have down below and I can damn near guarantee you'll be really successful with DG. Once you get comfortable then you can start tweaking things.

**I'm assuming you are using R/O water**
If you are using tap water then cut the Calmag down to 2.5ML or even 0 depending on your tap water PPM's.

**If using coco then feed this every watering**
**If using soil then feed this recipe 1x per week, with normal watering in between of just 5ML calmag and RO water + 2.5ML of Recharge**

Week 1 Veg
2ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag (always add 2nd)
2.5ML Protekt (always add first)
2.5ML Recharge (go buy this stuff, it's worth it's weight in gold)

Week 2 Veg
2ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
2.5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 3 Veg
3ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 4, Week 5, & Week 6 Veg
4ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 1 Flower
4ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 2 Flower
5ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
5ML Protekt
2.5ML Recharge

Week 3 Flower
6ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
2.5ML Protekt (last week using Protekt)
2.5ML Recharge

Week 4, Week 5, Week 6, & Week 7 Flower
6ML Foliage Pro
5ML Calmag
2.5ML Recharge

Week 8
2.5ML Recharge
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Very nice write-up and good schedule to follow. I also keep my CalMag at 5.0-6.0ML per gallon with Grow, but I am in LED so if I don't keep that CalMag up they go all funky on me
 
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Dr.Nick Riviera

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here is my Foliage pro schedule
week 1 7-800 ppms of foliage pro
every week after till week 7 7-800 ppms of foliage pro
week 8 water
foliage pro should have enough calcium and mag.
didn't get nothing but problems adding anything else
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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How can anyone suggest a fertilizing schedule without knowing and seeing the plants? Size, strain, growroom conditions, light intensity and grower skill are all involved in how much to feed.

Better to guess how much by how strong the light is. 100% concentration of a bottled nute is generally for 1000 watt grows.

And this is still a complete guess.
 
BMWEATER

BMWEATER

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MichiganMedGrower said:
How can anyone suggest a fertilizing schedule without knowing and seeing the plants? Size, strain, growroom conditions, light intensity and grower skill are all involved in how much to feed.

Better to guess how much by how strong the light is. 100% concentration of a bottled nute is generally for 1000 watt grows.

And this is still a complete guess.
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If you look behind every bottle of fertilizer sold to mankind since the dawn of humanity you will see that there is always a suggested feed regimen. I think his response was based on his experience using those posted feed schedules....
 
smokebros

smokebros

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Dr.Nick Riviera said:
here is my Foliage pro schedule
week 1 7-800 ppms of foliage pro
every week after till week 7 7-800 ppms of foliage pro
week 8 water
foliage pro should have enough calcium and mag.
didn't get nothing but problems adding anything else
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It does not have enough calcium or magnesium if using RO water. If using tap it's a case by case basis depending on "what" exactly makes up the PPM's in the tap.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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BMWEATER said:
If you look behind every bottle of fertilizer sold to mankind since the dawn of humanity you will see that there is always a suggested feed regimen. I think his response was based on his experience using those posted feed schedules....
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Of course there is. But it is important to mention the variables that are involved and that the directions are maxed out.
 
smokebros

smokebros

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MichiganMedGrower said:
How can anyone suggest a fertilizing schedule without knowing and seeing the plants? Size, strain, growroom conditions, light intensity and grower skill are all involved in how much to feed.

Better to guess how much by how strong the light is. 100% concentration of a bottled nute is generally for 1000 watt grows.

And this is still a complete guess.
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Look, man. Not quite sure what your angle is on this. I'm also not sure if you've grown with Dyna Gro or not.. I'd need to go back through the thread to see.

But needless to say the feeding schedule I provided is a pretty damn guideline for OP. It's a schedule I've used with great success and I'm passing on information to help him.. I didn't need to spend the time to type out the schedule but I did because I'm a nice guy.

Nutrients are nutrients, it's up to the grower to determine what the plant needs to thrive at each stage of growth. The schedule I provided helps OP dose his nutrients in amounts commensurate to where the plant is in it's life (seedling, veg, early flower, late flower).

I'm speaking from experience and passing on information that I learned from someone who does it better than me. I'm not parroting information that I "heard somewhere" in hopes that it helps OP.

Do I follow an exact feeding chart? No. I make adjustments as needed based on the responses from my plants. But I am providing OP with a guideline and timeline to successfully feed his plants with Dyno Gro.
 
smokebros

smokebros

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Quite a few growers have said there is plenty. Unless you are using coco which requires more.
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In my experience I've always had to supplement calmag when using RO water regardless if in soil, coco, or a 50/50mix. Deficiencies are prevalent in coco more so than soil because the medium is absent of nutrients from the start. Soil mixes are typically loaded with nutrients (including calcium and magnesium) that the plant will use. Deficiencies in calcium and magnesium just show up later in soil.

I'm a big proponent of Dyna Gro, especially since it's one of the few fertilizers on the market that has a complete formula of macro and micro nutrients. However, I remain adamant that the formulas in Foliage Pro, Grow, and Bloom don't have enough calcium and magnesium to complete a grow start to finish without supplementing.
 
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