Does This Means Clones are Individually Unique?

What is your interpretation of the last sentence....and what experoience has been gained by the many many many many clones you have teaken and grown up?

A Temporal Study of Cannabinoid Composition in Continual Clones of Cannabis sativa L. (Cannabaceae)

Jocelyn C. Turner, Paul G. Mahlberg, Vicki S. Lanyon, Joanna Pleszczynska
Botanical Gazette, Vol. 146, No. 1 (Mar., 1985), pp. 32-38

Abstract

Genetically and developmentally defined vegetative samples of three clones of Cannabis sativa L. were grown in a common environment and analyzed for cannabinoid production. Significant variations occurred in cannabinoid levels in each clonal population. Throughout the 2-yr study, the cannabinoid fluctuations were random rather than cyclic. Although within each clone all cannabinoids increased or decreased simultaneously, fluctuations in cannabinoid levels occurred independently from clone to clone. In addition, each clone retained its distinctive morphology and cannabinoid profile throughout the study.

i'm gonna let you know in about 3 weeks. i have 9 cuttings. they all came from 1 branch. actually it was 1 branch that broke off outside during the summer. i cut it into 9 equal pieces and rooted them. they are 4 and 1/2 weeks in flower right now. they all appear the same genetically but they show different physical traits. some are a little shorter and fatter while some are taller and longer. not much but enough to notice.

hey man...thanks.....think we got nuf detail to publish sumthin?....oppps...there the scientist idiot in me again....hahahahaha....thanks for adding your thoughts!

It's kinda been my opinion that plants are a lot like people. If you take a clone off your momma, i compare more to her giving birth rather than being cloned. The kid will share the same genetics, but it will be a unique thing. Does that make sense or am i high?

That makes sense.

How was the test done, exactly? I feel that each plant would need to be sectioned off and given the exact same of everything. Plants grown together will still be in different positions to the lights, and therefore will be in different environments. Also when the clones were rooted, some may have had more root than others etc etc.

My last grow were clones and I had one plant yield an ounce, and another an ounce and a half. There are a lot of variables that must be taken into consideration.

With most of us though, once the clones are rooted they do grow differently. They should all look about the same but there will be differences, sometimes drastic ones.

hey Skunk. I have just the abstract. I have not ordered the full paper. The methodology and specific circumstances are important for sure. My thoughts in putting this forward is to maybe help better understand that clones, although very similar in many respects, are still influenced by independent and unique environmental factor even to the microscale, that will influence the individual behaviour and performance of so-called similar plants....

I guess the reality is that clones certainly provide a better opportunity for "comparision" of identifcal plants than any other approach, and for this reason, upon finding something that is highly desireable, cloning it has many many benefits.

mine were vegged under 3 foot tubes so the light coverage was pretty even. i am flowering with a 600w in a 3 X 3 area so my lighting is pretty intense but some of the plants do shadow each other. what's weird is the ones on the outside perimeter look better than the ones directly under the light. the one in the far back corner seems to be the fullest so far.

hmmmm....thats an interesting observation.

my buddy does full tables. he gets 50 at a time. they all seem to grow different. i would refer to his grows but he always has at least 2 very different strains mixed together. everyone up here likes to lie about what they really have. if you order 50 and they only have 30 they just throw whatever else they got laying around in there. i no longer buy clones. well, other than 1 or 2 local strains that are clone only. and then i'm only buying 1 or 2 verified cuttings.

think of it like this: you take a clone, it has the same genetic makeup of what it was cloned from. however, what you do with it from there affects things greatly. like if my clone ate cheeseburger and french fries all day, and smoked 3 packs of cigarettes, he would be fat and get cancer. however, if I (with the same genetic makeup) ate healthy and didnt smoke, i would be slim and cancer free. its all about what you put into it. and the variations on how much nutrients/living organisms/oxygen/water/ in the soil or whatever growing medium are infinite. this will cause variations

ok ok ok....I wanna know which one is the REAL you.......??? hahahahaha...totally man...I agree. The whole point of that aritcle was to add some additional insight into genetic versus environmental fctors....they even did measures of soil quality/capability, and had individual weather stations for the generic environmental variables....thanks for your thought....but please tell us....which is the real you??!! .... hahahahaha

scias said:

think of it like this: you take a clone, it has the same genetic makeup of what it was cloned from. however, what you do with it from there affects things greatly. like if my clone ate cheeseburger and french fries all day, and smoked 3 packs of cigarettes, he would be fat and get cancer. however, if I (with the same genetic makeup) ate healthy and didnt smoke, i would be slim and cancer free. its all about what you put into it. and the variations on how much nutrients/living organisms/oxygen/water/ in the soil or whatever growing medium are infinite. this will cause variations

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The issue with a plants biology is that there is no central system of regulation, it's all decentralized hormone production. As a result, individual clones will/can display differences well into adulthood. However, when dealing with a single mother in good health with uniform growth, there is little cause for concern. At least thats what my plant phys professor told me a week ago when I read the same article. What you can take away from the article is that taking clones of clones of clones will lead to differences even though the genetics are identical. Best have a good long-term mother plant.

skunkushybrid said:

That makes sense.

How was the test done, exactly? I feel that each plant would need to be sectioned off and given the exact same of everything. Plants grown together will still be in different positions to the lights, and therefore will be in different environments. Also when the clones were rooted, some may have had more root than others etc etc.

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plus, as we descussed in another thread, perhaps where the growtip was taken from (upper or lower portion of the plant) may contribute to the differences. perhaps by aiding the upper clones with earlier development of trics and thc maturity?

good feedback. thanks.

northerntights said:

The issue with a plants biology is that there is no central system of regulation, it's all decentralized hormone production. As a result, individual clones will/can display differences well into adulthood. However, when dealing with a single mother in good health with uniform growth, there is little cause for concern. At least thats what my plant phys professor told me a week ago when I read the same article. What you can take away from the article is that taking clones of clones of clones will lead to differences even though the genetics are identical. Best have a good long-term mother plant.

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thats a really good point too. I expect that is very important.

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plus, as we descussed in another thread, perhaps where the growtip was taken from (upper or lower portion of the plant) may contribute to the differences. perhaps by aiding the upper clones with earlier development of trics and thc maturity?

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closet.cult said:

plus, as we descussed in another thread, perhaps where the growtip was taken from (upper or lower portion of the plant) may contribute to the differences. perhaps by aiding the upper clones with earlier development of trics and thc maturity?

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i thought of this as i cut up my branch. i knew i should have marked them.

yea cult...fdd....the more I think about this, and in combination with the differences along the length of the plant....this would be a very interesting comparison.......

I have little experience as I have started growing about 6 months ago. I got 2 clones from a friend to get me started. I vegged them up and started taking clones. As I went along I noticed that one plant was making better clones than the other. It seemed pretty simple to me. I sent the lesser mother plant into the flower room and concentrated on taking clones from the better plant. From that plant I noticed some better than others. I have been constantly rotating and taking clones only from the best performer from each group. The result has been amazing. I don't pretend to understand the genetics of plant cloning, but I cannot argue with success. My plants continue to get better by selecting the best performers from each group to become temporary mother plants. I set up my rooms on the cheap and intend to improve as I go. I can honestly say that it doesn't take thousands of dollars to set up and improve as you go. I am enjoying the fruits of my labor and expect things to continue to improve. This website has offered so much sage advice and I am truly grateful for the resource. This is my first post and I will continue to come here to do my homework - Thank you all!

Good to meet you LT... and I look forward to more of your posts.

hey LT...like Skunk said......excellent post!