DYI armed drones

NoDrama

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Why destroy it?
Because it is not real.

I have a tablet too, and a AR drone, and a Firewheel and a MQx. You must have the super AR drone no one can get, because my Firewheel on my DX8 flies circles around my AR on the tablet.
 

fb360

Active Member
Because it is not real.

I have a tablet too, and a AR drone, and a Firewheel and a MQx. You must have the super AR drone no one can get, because my Firewheel on my DX8 flies circles around my AR on the tablet.
Then you should believe me...

Go watch the first 3 vids I posted on Aggressive QRotor UAV Maneuvers... They are landing UAV quadrotors ON TOP OF UAV quad rotors...
 

fb360

Active Member
Using tablets?
Unmanned... 1000x harder than with a tablet... The damn things take off by themselves, perform aggressive maneuvers, and then land on top of on another, while still flying, all by their damn selves.

Honestly, the 3 videos I posted are some of the best quadrotor work I've seen. They did a tremendous job getting the quadrotors to be able to obtain high speed and agility, while maintaining a high degree of precision, accuracy and difficulty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI760jcFV2s&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvN9Ri1GmuY
We can build a precise 6m tall tower with UAV quadrotors, but no, attaching a gun to a quadrotor and using it as a weapon is out of the question! Impossible!

It amazes me at the low level of technology individuals assume is only possible.
 

Doer

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Have you ever tried to fly anything with a tablet? Believe me, the things that aircraft are doing and how it responds are not possible on a tablet, the delay is way too great to do anything more than simple maneuvers with a tablet. Look at his aim, perfect every time.
I have a wi-fi heli. Controls from iPhone. It is not at all responsive. But, it is all about the control loop latency. Software advances.

I don't see why a shotgun derringer assassin assignment with a quad, is out of the question. Or a .22 long rifle, for that matter. Fly up and POW. What is the problem?
 

Grandpapy

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I have a wi-fi heli. Controls from iPhone. It is not at all responsive. But, it is all about the control loop latency. Software advances.

I don't see why a shotgun derringer assassin assignment with a quad, is out of the question. Or a .22 long rifle, for that matter. Fly up and POW. What is the problem?
Or better yet, Kamikaze style, hand grenade, tear gas.....
 

fb360

Active Member
I have a wi-fi heli. Controls from iPhone. It is not at all responsive. But, it is all about the control loop latency. Software advances.

I don't see why a shotgun derringer assassin assignment with a quad, is out of the question. Or a .22 long rifle, for that matter. Fly up and POW. What is the problem?
That's because the wifi wireless network adapter that cost about $10 used in consumer quad rotors is mediocre at best.

Furthermore, many individuals take their wifi quadrotors outside in a dirt field, surrounded by high voltage electrical wires, and then wonder why they are getting interference and lag. The tx/rx systems implemented in rc products like the AR drone are inherently susceptible to noise; even a small microwave in a residential house within 100yds of you causes noticeable interference due to noise.

Quadrotors turned into weapons is an old concept that has already been engineered and proven capable.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Unmanned... 1000x harder than with a tablet... The damn things take off by themselves, perform aggressive maneuvers, and then land on top of on another, while still flying, all by their damn selves.

Honestly, the 3 videos I posted are some of the best quadrotor work I've seen. They did a tremendous job getting the quadrotors to be able to obtain high speed and agility, while maintaining a high degree of precision, accuracy and difficulty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI760jcFV2s&feature=endscreen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvN9Ri1GmuY
We can build a precise 6m tall tower with UAV quadrotors, but no, attaching a gun to a quadrotor and using it as a weapon is out of the question! Impossible!

It amazes me at the low level of technology individuals assume is only possible.
I have a wi-fi heli. Controls from iPhone. It is not at all responsive. But, it is all about the control loop latency. Software advances.

I don't see why a shotgun derringer assassin assignment with a quad, is out of the question. Or a .22 long rifle, for that matter. Fly up and POW. What is the problem?

Look guys , I am not saying quadrotors can't do what they are doing. I am saying that FPS is not flying that quad and that quad is not real. The fucking quad is making maneuvers with no inputs from FPS at all. The latency is way way too high to do any fast maneuvers like that on a tablet.

That quad is about as real as his fake Russian accent.

as always, have nice day.
 

NoDrama

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Furthermore, many individuals take their wifi quadrotors outside in a dirt field, surrounded by high voltage electrical wires, and then wonder why they are getting interference and lag. The tx/rx systems implemented in rc products like the AR drone are inherently susceptible to noise; even a small microwave in a residential house within 100yds of you causes noticeable interference due to noise..
Most recent R/C equipment of any professional quality is immune to noise. Old FM and AM radios are a thing of the past. We all use 2.4Ghz spread spectrum frequency hopping transmitters and receivers now. Range on my transmitter is 6 miles, nothing I can fly could even be seen at that distance, while a Wi-Fi connection is about 30 meters before dropping out quickly. I have never had a radio glitch of any kind in over 6 years since I switched from FM.
 

B166ER420

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Did anyone see Rocket City Rednecks?........They built laser "guns" with common red laser pointers by using a magnifying glass.........even used blue-ray lasers........ blue being hotter on the color temp scale.........anyway it worked like a charm.Just thought if you guys hadn't seen it...,you'd be interested.peace
 

Grandpapy

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Most recent R/C equipment of any professional quality is immune to noise. Old FM and AM radios are a thing of the past. We all use 2.4Ghz spread spectrum frequency hopping transmitters and receivers now. Range on my transmitter is 6 miles, nothing I can fly could even be seen at that distance, while a Wi-Fi connection is about 30 meters before dropping out quickly. I have never had a radio glitch of any kind in over 6 years since I switched from FM.
So, what would be the best way for me to protect my privacy/property from unwanted eyes, say LE or Thieves? Can I legally Dog Fight an FBI Drone off my property?
 

fb360

Active Member
Most recent R/C equipment of any professional quality is immune to noise. Old FM and AM radios are a thing of the past. We all use 2.4Ghz spread spectrum frequency hopping transmitters and receivers now. Range on my transmitter is 6 miles, nothing I can fly could even be seen at that distance, while a Wi-Fi connection is about 30 meters before dropping out quickly. I have never had a radio glitch of any kind in over 6 years since I switched from FM.
That's awesome, and fortunate for you, because everywhere I go here in PHX has too much interference, even for my 2.4GHz tx/rx systems. But, you're wrong about 2.4GHz being immune to noise. Noise and interference are EXTERNAL, and can't be kept out of a wirelessly transmitted signal, period.

The reason 2.4GHz spread spectrum is nice is because like as you implied, you don't have to post your frequency and hope no one else is tinkering around on it. The FM MHz, as in 72.010(ch 11) - 72.990(ch 60), were single-ended channels which were 20KHz in bandwidth, leading one to have to make sure they are unique to that frequency, in that general area. The AM bands were 100KHz in width and still at the 72MHz range, utilizing 10FMchannels per AM channel.

Also, you're absolutely right about the range, and being able to still have full control when an average size RC system. However, again, that range is DEPENDENT upon the environment you are in. I have personally run into small noise issues every time I have gone to mess around with my planes. Granted though, there is no open land around me here in PHX. It's not complete interference, just that you can see control surface jitter, as well as pulse movement sometimes

The fucking quad is making maneuvers with no inputs from FPS at all. The latency is way way too high to do any fast maneuvers like that on a tablet.

That quad is about as real as his fake Russian accent.
We don't know that he is making no inputs... There could be buttons programmed onto the tablet in the form of an HMI as is done by the AR drone for phones, as they don't have accelerometers to sense tilt.

Again, about the responsiveness, we can't make that call because we don't know how that tablet is connecting to the qrotor.

Lastly, I'm unsure if his accent is fake, but I know for sure he is Russian, and out of all the videos I've seen, which is a few, he has always had the same accent.
 

NoDrama

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That's awesome, and fortunate for you, because everywhere I go here in PHX has too much interference, even for my 2.4GHz tx/rx systems. But, you're wrong about 2.4GHz being immune to noise. Noise and interference are EXTERNAL, and can't be kept out of a wirelessly transmitted signal, period.

The reason 2.4GHz is nice is because like as you implied, you don't have to post your frequency and hope no one else is tinkering around on it. The FM MHz, as in 72.010(ch 11) - 72.990(ch 60), were single-ended channels which were 20KHz in bandwidth, leading one to have to make sure they are unique to that frequency, in that general area. The AM bands were 100KHz in width and still at the 72MHz range, utilizing 10FMchannels per AM channel.

Also, you're absolutely right about the range, and being able to still have full control when an average size RC system. However, again, that range is DEPENDENT upon the environment you are in. I have personally run into small noise issues every time I have gone to mess around with my planes. Granted though, there is no open land around me here in PHX. It's not complete interference, just that you can see control surface jitter, as well as pulse movement sometimes
Yeah i shouldn't say immune to noise, I should have said that it happens with such infrequency as to be only a singularity. I have lots of wide open spaces to fly in, but often go fly with several hundred others all using 2.4ghz and still have never had a problem. My brother lives in town and his favorite flying field has some high voltage power lines ( The big ones with steel towers holding them up) and we have no problems at all, we have even accidentally struck the lines.

I use the newest DSMX protocol but never had a problem with DSM or DSM2. Spektrum/JR and Futaba are the only really good systems out there, airtronix and the others are latecomers with cheapo transmitters that are only compatible with their own special receiver. I like that my 6 channel Rx only cost $8 each and that my Radio will fly any flyzone, hobbyzone, horizon hobby, e-flite, tactic, tower hobbies, great Planes stuff out there, which is about 75% of the market.

I had problems when using FM, not so much when using PCM modulation, but mostly with PPM modulation, just weird shit for no reason that sometimes would cause a crash.
 

fb360

Active Member
Yeah i shouldn't say immune to noise, I should have said that it happens with such infrequency as to be only a singularity. I have lots of wide open spaces to fly in, but often go fly with several hundred others all using 2.4ghz and still have never had a problem. My brother lives in town and his favorite flying field has some high voltage power lines ( The big ones with steel towers holding them up) and we have no problems at all, we have even accidentally struck the lines.

I use the newest DSMX protocol but never had a problem with DSM or DSM2. Spektrum/JR and Futaba are the only really good systems out there, airtronix and the others are latecomers with cheapo transmitters that are only compatible with their own special receiver. I like that my 6 channel Rx only cost $8 each and that my Radio will fly any flyzone, hobbyzone, horizon hobby, e-flite, tactic, tower hobbies, great Planes stuff out there, which is about 75% of the market.
Yeah, I own the dx9 by spektrum, and I completely agree with your opinion about the other tx systems on the market.

Unfortunately for me, the largest open space I have found is surrounded on 2 sides by HVPL (high voltage power lines), and another side touches the freeway, which is constantly used by cars. Definitely not the best place to be flying, but it is the best I have found short of Indian Rez.

My 2.4GHz tx/rx allows me to fly there still, but I do run into noise and interference just about everytime I go out.
 

NoDrama

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Yeah, I own the dx9 by spektrum, and I completely agree with your opinion about the other tx systems on the market.

Unfortunately for me, the largest open space I have found is surrounded on 2 sides by HVPL (high voltage power lines), and another side touches the freeway, which is constantly used by cars. Definitely not the best place to be flying, but it is the best I have found short of Indian Rez.

My 2.4GHz tx/rx allows me to fly there still, but I do run into noise and interference just about everytime I go out.
see if you can send your TX back to Spektrum for a hardware update to the new DSMx protocol, it should clear up your problems and it will still work with your DSM2 stuff.
 

Doer

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DSMx is cool! DSM-IV.....not so much. Does this model have the horsehair liner, and flea pockets?
 
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