Early Trich's

skunkushybrid

New Member
I have a couple of seedlings... from bagseed. No more than 3 days out of the soil. I look closely, and I see trichomes on them. All over them. Tiny, I'm not talking like a blanket of snow or anything... but they're there.

I've never noticed this before... I'm sure I would have. Maybe, i didn't look closely enough before.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Ignore the bit about soil, i'm mega mashed on oil right now. i grow in coco.
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
i'm trying to find the right pics......

this is a female pre-flower. you can see the trichs on the leaves. this plant is only a few weeks old.
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skunkushybrid

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I'm never throwing anything away again. No males, nothing. Straight into the honey pot. I've already started grinding up the main stems (not of the seedlings, lol).

Dry crumbled-up waste is so much easier to dispose of.
 

potroast

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Well, there are tiny hairs that glisten like trichomes covering everything. And there are several kinds of trichomes. The "capitate-stalked" trichomes are the ones that we are interested in. They rise up with the bulbous head on them, like little mushrooms, and that's where the resin is, I don't know about the other kinds of trikes.

HTH :mrgreen:
 

shamegame

Well-Known Member
Some of my 13 day old raft seedlings have fine crystals all over them.. ( or mold:confused:). Looks like crystals to me.
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
Well, there are tiny hairs that glisten like trichomes covering everything. And there are several kinds of trichomes. The "capitate-stalked" trichomes are the ones that we are interested in. They rise up with the bulbous head on them, like little mushrooms, and that's where the resin is, I don't know about the other kinds of trikes.

HTH :mrgreen:
I smoked some oil from a 3 week old flowerer and it gave me a nice buzz. Then I smoked some oil from a 4 week flowerer, and it gave me an intense hit. I'll be taking some from a 5 week flowerer tomorrow. These plants are background plants so that I can look at the root development, might as well smoke them.:mrgreen:

So, is there not too much known about trich' development? I haven't found much in my meanderings. Why does light create THC laden trich's, but then degrade it while it is still on the plant? Hence, people giving a dark period before harvest. To my mind, we can see the trich's on the outside of the buds (these are the ones that would get affected by the light), so we know what colour we want the trich's to turn according to whatever tastes we have. Yet, as the plant grows and fills out, there are still trich's that we can't see until we break into the bud. I just don't understand (it doesn't sound logical) why people would want to give a 3 day dark period before harvest.
 

shamegame

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I smoked some oil from a 3 week old flowerer and it gave me a nice buzz. Then I smoked some oil from a 4 week flowerer, and it gave me an intense hit. I'll be taking some from a 5 week flowerer tomorrow. These plants are background plants so that I can look at the root development, might as well smoke them.:mrgreen:

So, is there not too much known about trich' development? I haven't found much in my meanderings. Why does light create THC laden trich's, but then degrade it while it is still on the plant? Hence, people giving a dark period before harvest. To my mind, we can see the trich's on the outside of the buds (these are the ones that would get affected by the light), so we know what colour we want the trich's to turn according to whatever tastes we have. Yet, as the plant grows and fills out, there are still trich's that we can't see until we break into the bud. I just don't understand (it doesn't sound logical) why people would want to give a 3 day dark period before harvest.
I don't buy into the " shock your plants for 2 days before harvest by keeping them in the dark " thing. I did try it on one of about 6 plants a couple of years ago. I did not see any noticeable increase in trichs compared to the rest.Although they may help in a myriad of ways- some small and some great,The trichs are just there for two main reasons:

- To keep as many animals and bugs from eating the plant as possible ( although I have seen deer get into them, but only in very dry times where food and water was hard to come by for them )

- To help insure that any male pollen in the air will stick to the female flowers,ensuring the survival of the species.Yes some males do show trichs, but I think this is because of the first reason stated.I wonder if all males show trichs in the pure unchanged landrace strains ?
 

skunkushybrid

New Member
I'd say first and foremost that they are a protective barrier, against the (sometimes) intense light of the sun, and marauding insects/animals. Although the plant loves light, light can hurt the plant, hence the trich's. The more intense the light, the more trich's... this is another reason i don't like fluoro's. They may have the right spectrums, they just don't have the intensity.
 

PhatAnna

Active Member
I'd say first and foremost that they are a protective barrier, against the (sometimes) intense light of the sun, and marauding insects/animals. Although the plant loves light, light can hurt the plant, hence the trich's. The more intense the light, the more trich's... this is another reason i don't like fluoro's. They may have the right spectrums, they just don't have the intensity.
i was watching this one video by this old man named marijuana man and he offered/explained his theory/assumptions or whatever you want to call it on trich production which i found interesting.

he was talking about the rays of the sun.. uva uvb uvc me thinks. uvb supposedly is harmful to plants and humans. marijuana produces trichs to deal with these rays. the trichs are shaped like mini mushrooms. the theory was... the light hits the top of the mushroom head and since its like a clear substance.. it acts like a magnifying glass which leads the light down the stalk of the mushroom and dissipates it. *shrug i liked his explanation :)

he also conducted a experiment where he took 2 clones of the same strain same environment etc.. he flowered one normally with 12/12 and he flowered the other 12/12 but he added in a reptile uv light. after the harvest, drying, and curing... the one with the reptile light produced more trichs and was a more intense high then the other plant.

heres a picture i drew ^.^ im a little faded right now too:joint::joint:
 

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skunkushybrid

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Thanks for the pic' ha ha ha. Nice job, although you did well enough with your words. thankyou.

marijuana man seems to know his stuff.:mrgreen:
 

shamegame

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I still say the main reason the plants developed trichs (which carry alot of thc ) is to make animals sick when they eat it. The trichs don't cover the whole plant so it dosen't seem likely that they are a response to uv rays or what have you. Also, if they are primarily to interact with the sun, why is there such a high THC concentration in the mushroom trichs and not in say...the leaves or stem.
 

Evil Buddies

Ganja King
the trichs are there for many reasons the main one protection of the fruit of the plant. Protection from the sun hungry animals and they let us know when our bud is ready. Thats protection 4 us not to harvest to early or late lol.
 

skunkushybrid

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do any other plants have trichs ?
Yes, lots of them... not cannabinoid trich's though... although many plants have varying chemicals that they have evolved for protection.

If trich's are not primarily for protection from the sun, why is it that strains from hotter, more intense climates have more potent trichomes?

Many animals like to get high... I've seen video of a tiger high on some plant or other... they filmed the tiger coming back over and over again to the same spot. It'd eat some of the plant then start acting all strange before lying down. You could tell it was high as a kite.

Potency is attractive to animals... that's why we like it.
 

skunkushybrid

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Sorry about the cut n paste... but have a read of this:


Do animals have addictions? Like humans, are they avid of new sensations, of artificial paradises?

For a long time, people have been fascinated by a strange bird behavior called myrmecomany (from Old Greek "myrmex" ant, "mania" obsesion). The bird sits on the soil or on an ant nest, open its wings stretched forward, while it curbs its tail toward its belly. In the first step, the bird lets itself be invaded by angry ants and sometimes they pick ants one by one, squashing them a little bit, to introduce them inside the plumage.

Once fully covered by insects, the bird starts executing some bizarre contortions, coiled movements and spins of the body, keeping the head always risen, the feathers extended, still glance, and saliva over the bill, with an absolutely delighted face. This step lasts roughly 30 minutes. After that, the bird shakes itself to get rid of the ants and if the species eats ants, the bird consumes them.

This behavior has been watched in ravens, jays, thrushes, blackbirds, parrots and many other groups. Scientists supposed that the birds use the formic acid - a very corrosive compound secreted by ants - to clean their plumage out of lice or other parasites or this

could be a method to put out the acid from ants before eating them. But some believe that the birds simply impregnate themselves with the pungent substance just to produce pleasure.

In domesticated magpies, this behavior was even more complicated: they took ants and mixed them with tobacco ashes from pipes, after that sloshing their wings with the mixture with the greatest satisfaction.

In northern Australia, red-browed finches were seen to prefer smoke in order to get pleasure. After bush fires, when the finches encounter a smoking trunk, they settle. At the contact with the smoke, finches raised their body, backed on their tail, extending their feathers, starting a left to right circular movement, neck stretched. Soon they got vertigo, loosing balance and falling. The interrupted ceremony was immediately resumed till exhaustion.

In fact, birds have been observed to use a lot of compounds to get pleasure: caterpillar secretions, flour larvae, plant juices, mothballs, ashes, tobacco. Crows have been watched displaying a similar behavior to Australian finches using mothballs and cigarette butts. Scientists noticed that the bird "myrmecomany" vary among individuals, concerning the "compound" chosen (a raven can use green husks of wallnuts while other will choose smoke) and not all the individuals of a species will practice it, most preferring more "natural" pleasures. The variation in "myrmecomany" was greater among the individuals of the same species than between species or bird families. Moreover, individuals never changed their drugging method.

The gestures and contortions can not be understood and explained just by the need of eliminating feather parasites. The birds first dedicated to those activities with passion but after a while renounced little by little as the thing had lost its attractiveness. Sometimes, drugging behavior in birds can be really complex. A lab rook built by straws and twigs a bonfire which it fired using a match (the bird learnt this by itself). The bird displayed a dance with the wings extended; the rook got smoked but not burnt.

But what about mammals? Cats are extremely attracted by the valerian plant (Valeriana officinalis) and catnips (Nepeta cataria), whose sniffing and eating seem to provoke them intense satisfaction. Dogs also enjoy catnips, but they have also a more rough attraction: death corpses. They don’t just smell but bowl over death bodies, the contact with the skin and the fur increasing their excitation. The same doggy behavior has been observed in spotted hyenas. A captive coati (a relative of the raccoon) used to slosh its body with a piece of cotton soaked with eau de cologne, after which it dropped over its back dizzy of satisfaction. A domesticated mongoose got the same condition after sloshing itself with chocolate.

Lab mice can even get addicted to chewing tobacco. Not to mention that in many cases pet chimps get addicted to human drugs: tobacco, alcohol and others. And they smoke with style, looking at the smoke rings they eject. Some smaller monkeys were seen to enjoy passive smoking and rub their fur with tobacco ashes overloaded by agitation. They also enjoy garlic, which induces them some kind of dizziness.

Hedgehogs enter many times in the wild in a kind of trance after licking themselves with saliva till it gets foamy. In a case, farmers in an Argentina region noticed their cattle lost appetite and the oxen their working capacity. It was proven that the cattle were not infected, but they ingested some alkaloids from certain plants that acted like strong drugs (in fact, nicotine from tobacco, caffeine from coffee or cocaine are just alkaloids).

Once a year, when the marula fruits ripen, animals in Austral Africa enter a generalized drinking bout as this fruit ferments very easy. Researchers described a crazy situation: all animals around marula tree are drunk, from monkeys to elephants.

All these behaviors previously pointed to do not satisfy any primordial impulse: hunger, reproduction, self-defense. These behaviors enter in contradiction with the self-preservation of the individuals.

The questions that remain are: what incites the animals to brake their powerful preservation instincts? Do they drug themselves consciously?

However, one answer is certain: animals really do seek pleasure and entertainment.
 

shamegame

Well-Known Member
Yes, lots of them... not cannabinoid trich's though... although many plants have varying chemicals that they have evolved for protection.

If trich's are not primarily for protection from the sun, why is it that strains from hotter, more intense climates have more potent trichomes?

Many animals like to get high... I've seen video of a tiger high on some plant or other... they filmed the tiger coming back over and over again to the same spot. It'd eat some of the plant then start acting all strange before lying down. You could tell it was high as a kite.

Potency is attractive to animals... that's why we like it.
You very well could be right. Although the one thing that comes to mind regarding the highlighted sentence - maybe in extreme climates the plants know that since conditions are less than optimal, they produce more thc glands to further the effort of not being eaten. Less plants would mean increased need to ensure survival. Stronger plants = animals might have a better chance of not eating them? In a hotter area with less water, animals may be more desperate to eat anything containing moisture.... just playing devil's advocate here.

I definately see your point about some animals actually figuring out that high is good. However think about a batch of brownies. If you make a proper batch of brownies, you would use enough green to make sure that 1-2 brownies are enough to do the job. But if you were forced to live on those brownies, you might eat more ( to feel full ) and you would be sick, puking your brains out- at the very least the room would be spinning and you would be queezy.

I am just thinking that animals would eat to get full, or at least enough to gain the water from inside the plant which would seem to me to be enough to get them or us sick.
 
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