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wyteboi said:

it sounds like u could use some grow in the mix...... the Rainbow food is great , thats what i used to use before switching to liquid nutes.

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PEACE WB, I had never heard of it prior to getting it at the hydro store. I can't account for it's goodness yet. Question: When you used the Rainbow Mix, how did you use it on the plants when they were already in the pots? I know it says to "work it into the soil", but how might one go about doing that? Would that be the same as sprinkling a layer down and then covering with more soil and watering? Would that give them what they need, or will it take too long to reach them? Have you ever mixed it with water and then gave it to your girls? I'm thinking that this would be best but it doesn't say that you can do it. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help bro, ( I really need it )!

PEACE

Thanks brotha I appreciate it. I would hate someone's baby to die by accident. Also, I've learned from this first grow that if it's young and it looks like a deficiency give it ph corrected low ppm water a couple waterings and then re-assess the situation.

When in real trouble and watering isn't helping, try a foliar spray right after lights go out. These seaweed and organic sprays are absorbed by the stomata, which are pores on the underside of leaves.

The benefit of organic foliars to recap from page 1 of this thread do not burn the plant and mixed in with water the plant gets what it is missing, which will prevent chlorosis. but make sure both #1 you wear a green light and it's dark, #2 make sure it's ph balanced, because if it's below I think 5.8ph the stomata closes.

Ha and apparently if you play nature sounds such as this the stomata opens even larger. I dont know why I typed all of this I'm really high.

thesurface said:

Thanks brotha I appreciate it. I would hate someone's baby to die by accident. Also, I've learned from this first grow that if it's young and it looks like a deficiency give it ph corrected low ppm water a couple waterings and then re-assess the situation.

When in real trouble and watering isn't helping, try a foliar spray right after lights go out. These seaweed and organic sprays are absorbed by the stomata, which are pores on the underside of leaves.

The benefit of organic foliars are they do not burn the plant and mixed in with water the plant gets what it is missing, which will prevent chlorosis. but make sure both #1 you wear a green light and it's dark, #2 make sure it's ph balanced, because if it's below I think 5.8ph the stomata closes.

Ha and apparently if you play nature sounds such as this the stomata opens even larger. I dont know why I typed all of this I'm really high.

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PEACE. Indeed I know what you are saying. I do know this as well and I had foliar fed last week so I can't do it again, yet. I am very grateful for yours as well as others advice and I trust that it can help and that I may be able to return the favor to you all as well as anyone else that needs help that I can provide.

As far as the music thing goes, I had been playing "MARY JANE"
by Rick James and a few reggae songs like "Ganja Farmer" by Marlon Asher and "Sinsemilla" by Black Uhuru. I haven't looked into the classical becasue I can't listen to it myself, but I will look for a classical CD for the next crop and beyond.

Thanks for taking the time out to add your assistance. I trust it will work and I will keep you all updated (as I'm sure you would want to know that your info was the right diagnosis ).

PEACE

BLACKMESSIAH7 said:

PEACE WB, I had never heard of it prior to getting it at the hydro store. I can't account for it's goodness yet. Question: When you used the Rainbow Mix, how did you use it on the plants when they were already in the pots? I know it says to "work it into the soil", but how might one go about doing that? Would that be the same as sprinkling a layer down and then covering with more soil and watering? Would that give them what they need, or will it take too long to reach them? Have you ever mixed it with water and then gave it to your girls? I'm thinking that this would be best but it doesn't say that you can do it. Is it possible?

Thanks for the help bro, ( I really need it )!

PEACE

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if u mix the rainbow with water , u would want to make a "tea" out of it.... basically just put the mix in water with a air stone running to properly mix it up real good.
when i did it i just put it right on top of the soil and added more soil (like u said) and i loved it , u never REALLY know how much your giving them but it works real good , i had way less problems with MG soil and rainbow mix then i do with soiless mix and liquid food , but i am blaming myself for that......for now

wyteboi said:

if u mix the rainbow with water , u would want to make a "tea" out of it.... basically just put the mix in water with a air stone running to properly mix it up real good.
when i did it i just put it right on top of the soil and added more soil (like u said) and i loved it , u never REALLY know how much your giving them but it works real good , i had way less problems with MG soil and rainbow mix then i do with soiless mix and liquid food , but i am blaming myself for that......for now

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PEACE WB. Yeah I just did it (not right this moment). I measured out 1 1/2 tblspns and sprinkled it around the soil. Then I misted the soil because I had just watered yesterday and didn't want it to be soggy. I had only done one becasue I actually was waiting to see what your method was when you used it in the past. Now that I have already done one I was thinking that I wanted to use some Schultz plant food (15-30-15) for one watering to get them the nitro quickly and then go back to the EJ bloom and molasses. Would this be necessary? Meaning would the Rainbow mix GROW work quickly enough to help before they completely lose foliage and die off?

PEACE and Thanks for the help

i don't think the plants will utilize the schultz quicker or more efficiently than the rainbow mix. i would not do what you are talking about

LogHead

LogHead said:

i don't think the plants will utilize the schultz quicker or more efficiently than the rainbow mix. i would not do what you are talking about

LogHead

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PEACE, Thanks for the heads up LogHead. I will give the rest the same thing the next day and trust that it works for them. they are losing leaves and yellowing something crazy. I still have buds forming but they are miniscule and it is day 35 so I want to get them right really quickly. I wont do that and instead I will sprinkle it around the soil of the others as well and hope for the best.

Thanks again.

PEACE

Haha, follow the rainbow. Sorry I go on a typing rampage, I hope they make a huge come back!

yes do this. i think mixing the schultz in right now will have unfavored results.

LogHead said:

i don't think the plants will utilize the schultz quicker or more efficiently than the rainbow mix. i would not do what you are talking about

LogHead

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i agree with log , but why not use EJ grow, along with your molasses and bloom ?..... i cant remember did u get rainbow grow or rainbow bloom ? i think u got grow .... if so then just do what u did (1 1/2 TB of mix on top of the soil)
I dont think its the food causeing the premature yellowing .... i only say that because it never is the problem. I think when someone goes and looks at the pics of deficiencies , it really confuses them. MOST problems are never as simple as a deficiency. i have never seen one person give their plants a lil more of anything and "fix" them. it is usually a ph problem , "locking out" the nutes or a medium/soil problem .
i am in the same boat as u right now, i am over halfway on a crop and i lost all my fan leaves and the buds are not gonna do what they , would have with a proper enviroment. Since i started useing ph up , my plants are not loseing leaves AS FAST but still not "right" .... did u say u are useing Pro-mix BX ? if so what does the date say on the side of the bag?

wyteboi said:

i agree with log , but why not use EJ grow, along with your molasses and bloom ?

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..... i cant remember did u get rainbow grow or rainbow bloom ?

GROW only.

i think u got grow .... if so then just do what u did (1 1/2 TB of mix on top of the soil)
I dont think its the food causeing the premature yellowing .... i only say that because it never is the problem. I think when someone goes and looks at the pics of deficiencies , it really confuses them. MOST problems are never as simple as a deficiency. i have never seen one person give their plants a lil more of anything and "fix" them. it is usually a ph problem , "locking out" the nutes or a medium/soil problem .
i am in the same boat as u right now, i am over halfway on a crop and i lost all my fan leaves and the buds are not gonna do what they , would have with a proper enviroment.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AM DEALING WITH.


Since i started useing ph up , my plants are not loseing leaves AS FAST but still not "right" .... did u say u are useing Pro-mix BX ? if so what does the date say on the side of the bag?

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ON THE BAG IT SAYS 9/7/24.

I have a pic of one plant but it is unclear and the only cam that I have at the time(sorry). I have virtually pulled off all the fan leaves and it is just the main stalk and the branches that are budding. The leaves are getting a dark mark on them and then they are curling upwards and drying out (hence dying) and so I pull them off when they are too severely damaged (obviously for the astetic value as it hasn't helped at all.)

I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU AND LOGHEAD ASSISTING ME AND CONTINUING TO CONCERN AND CHECK FOR PROGRESS AND SOLUTIONS. IT HAS SET ME AT EASE A BIT.

PEACE



YES THE PIC IS THE WORST BUT ALL I HAVE TO SHOW AT THE TIME

BLACKMESSIAH7 said:

ON THE BAG IT SAYS 9/7/24.

I have a pic of one plant but it is unclear and the only cam that I have at the time(sorry). I have virtually pulled off all the fan leaves and it is just the main stalk and the branches that are budding. The leaves are getting a dark mark on them and then they are curling upwards and drying out (hence dying) and so I pull them off when they are too severely damaged (obviously for the astetic value as it hasn't helped at all.)

I TRULY APPRECIATE YOU AND LOGHEAD ASSISTING ME AND CONTINUING TO CONCERN AND CHECK FOR PROGRESS AND SOLUTIONS. IT HAS SET ME AT EASE A BIT.

PEACE



YES THE PIC IS THE WORST BUT ALL I HAVE TO SHOW AT THE TIME

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its not THAT bad but it looks like its had too much food OR not enough light , but that pic is like my camera and its hard to see.
maybe heat stress? I really dont think it a deficiency though.
(mine are way worse )

wyteboi said:

its not THAT bad but it looks like its had too much food OR not enough light , but that pic is like my camera and its hard to see.
maybe heat stress? I really dont think it a deficiency though.
(mine are way worse )

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PEACE WB. Sorry about the late response, I have no dsl and the cpu is slower then the Flintstones. Anyway, I must disagree (respectfully, of course) with the assessment of the situation in you saying that it is not a deficiency. The pic is terrible and I can't blame you, BUT it isn't just as simple as that. The color is LIME GREEN or yellow-green, but not like it is in the pic.

As far as the lights go, I'm sure I could use a bit more, but I have a good number of lights in the space that I have. What I am using is CFLs and I have (3) 65W 2700K Soft White, and then I have a few different smaller ones with different spectrums {Cool and Soft White 23,27, & 13W}. All in all I have about 25 lights in a 3x3x4ft space. ON A SIDE NOTE: DAMN WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT THE CFLS NOT PRODUCING ALOT OF HEAT. I HAVE ONLY GROWN WITH CFLS THUSFAR AND I HAVE HAD TEMPS REACH 100F WITH EXHAUST FANS AND A OSCILLATING FAN! THEY MAY NOT BE HOT AS A HID, BUT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY DON'T GIVE OFF HEAT IS WRONG. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THAT THEY DO.

What have you done to remedy your problem? Sorry to hear about the problems which makes your concern and advice for mine a truly self-less act. I appreciate that! I trust that I can get a yeild off of them and then I will buy a HID (250W switchable ballast from hydrofarm w/bulb and reflector) and some more beans. This time I will give them nutes from the beginning but they will only be in the soil and then when they show that they could use a bit more I will oblige with the Earth Juice BLOOM. That's then and this is now. I have to get there and I may not reach that point. (or should I get a yeild anyway, however meager? There is bud forming, it's just small popcorn buds at the moment)

For an idea on your yellowing you may want to add some nitro to the mix. I know that it is frowned upon to do such but if you read Roseman's DIY bubbleponics thread, he had a problem with yellowing leaves dropping off and he said he added nitro to the tank (on the advice of another experienced gardener) and he claims that it is working for him. I know that he is into the flowering as well (about 3-5 wks in) and although he is growing in water it should be the same. I decided to try it out because of the fact that I hadn't added any veg nutes besides the original mix in 18 oz cups which they spent their first 3 wks in and then transplanted in to the 2 gal growbags and 2lt btls. The only nitro they have received was the catalyst during transplant and then again one more time recently. The thing is that the catlyst is a low percentage of nitro so that may not have helped unless I was giving it to them in large doses because I believe that it is only for the transplant of plants to assist in the transition and therefore causing little to no stress. since they were starved for it anyway it was a meager amount and they ate it up quickly.

Try out the idea and let me know if it works for you. You've been so helpful to me that I trust that I can help you with the limited knowledge of growing from hands-on experience (I read profusely before i sowed one bean).

PEACE

I like my fox farm ocean forest for 20 bucks a bag =)

BLACKMESSIAH7 said:

PEACE WB. Sorry about the late response, I have no dsl and the cpu is slower then the Flintstones. Anyway, I must disagree (respectfully, of course) with the assessment of the situation in you saying that it is not a deficiency. The pic is terrible and I can't blame you, BUT it isn't just as simple as that. The color is LIME GREEN or yellow-green, but not like it is in the pic.

As far as the lights go, I'm sure I could use a bit more, but I have a good number of lights in the space that I have. What I am using is CFLs and I have (3) 65W 2700K Soft White, and then I have a few different smaller ones with different spectrums {Cool and Soft White 23,27, & 13W}. All in all I have about 25 lights in a 3x3x4ft space. ON A SIDE NOTE: DAMN WHAT PEOPLE SAY ABOUT THE CFLS NOT PRODUCING ALOT OF HEAT. I HAVE ONLY GROWN WITH CFLS THUSFAR AND I HAVE HAD TEMPS REACH 100F WITH EXHAUST FANS AND A OSCILLATING FAN! THEY MAY NOT BE HOT AS A HID, BUT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY DON'T GIVE OFF HEAT IS WRONG. TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THAT THEY DO.


PEACE

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so how do your temps look? Also going by your post and the lack of N , the extra N might really help you. Give that rainbow mix about a week to give u some N and they should look better IF it is a N Def.
i am just saying that 90% of the time it is not a Def , it is usally whatever is causeing the Def. Now u say that they have not had ANY N since they were in cups so it just might work for you
i will be back with a few pics (horrible quality) .... i use 1 TB of grow , 1 TB of bloom , and 1 tsp of Meta-k with every feeding, and then every other week , i use the catalyst (1or 2 tsp) and i have NOT been using the microblast because my tap water has a ppm of 6 or 700 (so there should be plenty of micronutes in there....?)

here is a couple good pics of the yellowing/bleaching/pail green :
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now here is a couple shitty ones of the room... but u really cant see problems very well in this one .... hell u can barely see um period.
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the top ones are one of the "better lookin" plants , so half as worse then that an the rest look almost like that. some of um have dry curled Upward leaves and some like this one are just really bleached/yellow



thanks for tryin to help black!