Ending the Ronald Reagan Lie

SneekyNinja

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It hastened the end of WWII. What we've done with them since has been rather less admirable.

Lowering taxes on the highest income earners has been a colossal disaster in terms of overall prosperity. This is the lie that must be challenged.
Lol, what exactly have we done with them since?
 

Grandpapy

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Who’s building those Islands in the So.Pacific?
 

tampee

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It didn't hasten the end of the war but it was useful to intimidate the Russians.
Yeah, because Russia was so intimidated by the Cuban Missile Crisis. LMAO

They would have destroyed us and we wouldn't have been able to fully retaliate.
 

jonsnow399

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Yeah, because Russia was so intimidated by the Cuban Missile Crisis. LMAO

They would have destroyed us and we wouldn't have been able to fully retaliate.
I'm talking about immediately after the war until the Russians got the bomb. If the Russians had launched an attack , our subs alone would have decimated Russia.
 

tampee

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I'm talking about immediately after the war until the Russians got the bomb. If the Russians had launched an attack , our subs alone would have decimated Russia.
Actually the Cold War would have never happened if we didn't steal the victory of Japan and take over Germany just giving the biggest baddest fuckers in WW2 a few German scientists. We beat them to Berlin so we could steal the victory and scientists of our choosing.

Russia got fucked the only reason for the Cold War.
 

jonsnow399

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Actually the Cold War would have never happened if we didn't steal the victory of Japan and take over Germany just giving the biggest baddest fuckers in WW2 a few German scientists. We beat them to Berlin so we could steal the victory and scientists of our choosing.

Russia got fucked the only reason for the Cold War.
Maybe you should review you high school history book, Russia took Berlin, some German troops were fighting westward to break the encirclement and surrender to the Allies.
 

tampee

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Maybe you should review you high school history book, Russia took Berlin, some German troops were fighting westward to break the encirclement and surrender to the Allies.
Maybe you should read college level history because highschool history is nothing but government propaganda. Also if Russia took Berlin it would have been part of the Soviet Union like every other nation the Russians took from the Nazis.
 

ttystikk

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It didn't hasten the end of the war but it was useful to intimidate the Russians.
It would have taken at least an additional year and many, many more casualties on both sides to invade the Japanese homeland.

So yes, it did shorten the war.

It only intimidated the Russians into getting the bomb themselves.
 

abandonconflict

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It would have taken at least an additional year and many, many more casualties on both sides to invade the Japanese homeland.

So yes, it did shorten the war.

It only intimidated the Russians into getting the bomb themselves.
No it didn't. Japan was looking to surrender and every flag officer in the entire military who made an opinion public, opined that it was not necessary to drop nukes. Yet again you yap yet have no clue.
 

jonsnow399

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Maybe you should read college level history because highschool history is nothing but government propaganda. Also if Russia took Berlin it would have been part of the Soviet Union like every other nation the Russians took from the Nazis.
Alternative facts! I like it!
 

jonsnow399

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It would have taken at least an additional year and many, many more casualties on both sides to invade the Japanese homeland.

So yes, it did shorten the war.

It only intimidated the Russians into getting the bomb themselves.
Nope, but we have went down this road before. One question I always want to ask people that believe this. If the Japanese were so suicidal and were going to fight to the last man anyway, why would they be scared of a few atom bombs? Their major cities, including Tokyo were already decimated by fire bombing their wooden buildings. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen because they were among the last cities worth dropping an atom bomb on. The Russian declared was so the Japanese knew they would be crushed in Manchuria, with no hope of a better deal.
 

abandonconflict

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http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/atomicdec.htm

Not just a peer reviewed historical research study, this paper cites primary sources. Dozens of quotes by flag officers urging president Truman not to use nuclear weapons on Japan. Even before Russia's entry into that war campaign, the Japanese were "putting out feelers" in regards to setting terms of surrender. They wanted to keep the emperor in place but Truman wanted "unconditional surrender". In the end, Emperor Hirohito was permitted to retain power in the terms, which was the only condition Japan sought. This was allowed because he was the only one who could ensure there would be no insurrection against allied occupation forces.
 

ttystikk

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From the article in the OP;
"Thederegulation had one more crucial effect. It enabled the rise of “too big to fail” businesses, and their lobbies in four key sectors: Big Oil, Wall Street, Big Health, and Big Armaments. Antitrust became a dead letter. The billionaires successfully championed tax cuts, deregulation, and deregulated companies that became more influential than government itself, and that when necessary could call on the federal government to do their bidding."

Elephant in the room; will Americans show the will to take their government back from these interests, or is the American experiment dead?
 

abandonconflict

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  • In official internal military interviews, diaries and other private as well as public materials, literally every top U.S. military leader involved subsequently stated that the use of the bomb was not dictated by military necessity.
It was by definition, nothing more than terrorism. The US dropped those bombs as an act of political violence, to send a message.
 

twostrokenut

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From the article in the OP;
"Thederegulation had one more crucial effect. It enabled the rise of “too big to fail” businesses, and their lobbies in four key sectors: Big Oil, Wall Street, Big Health, and Big Armaments. Antitrust became a dead letter. The billionaires successfully championed tax cuts, deregulation, and deregulated companies that became more influential than government itself, and that when necessary could call on the federal government to do their bidding."

Elephant in the room; will Americans show the will to take their government back from these interests, or is the American experiment dead?
what's in your wallet?
 
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