Discussion in 'Advanced Marijuana Cultivation' started by woodsmantoker, Dec 11, 2009.
3.5 inch squares. yes explosive growth - oh yeah!
Yes dude..loving the sensor push I also use them. They work great and give me a peace of mind.
Your plants are looking great. I'm on day 51 12/12 today [scrog]. Going to take some shots now to upload
Say good people!
I'm posting the photos of how things are around here ..
It's now 11 days 12/12.
Would you like your opinions about whether I still have to fold or can I let them grow quietly now?
Big day today. Did my first tuck under the wire! Tis begun!
Would two weeks for 4 plants to fill a 3.5 x 3.5 net be to much to ask in veg mode (soil grow)?
Genetics and Lights will determine the speed considering all other life support is provided for properly but yes that sounds about right.
Very nice, depends on strain. I try to maintain 8-10" colas above the net. If it stretches very little I'll stop tucking a week into 12/12, if it stretches alot I'll keep tucking. The goal is to not have too much plant above the net or you defeat the purpose. 90% of SCROGS I see are done wrong, people stop tucking too early and get 20" of plant above the screen, now your light has to get through 20" of canopy.
With a shorter canopy you can also more easily maintain a flatter canopy.
Day 49 flower Day 14: Time for the weekly update.
I put the second net in because I think the colas will need support down the road. I super cropped a couple of the tallest colas by accident which is no biggie since I have had to use that method to control height in the past.
Plants are 30" to 36" tall.
So newbie here, can anyone explain the difference and maybe provide a few examples to the difference if a support net and a legitimate SCRoG set up??
See my post a few up for a true scrog, only about 10" max above net and very little amount of plant below as well, nothing wasted. It should be trained under the net long enough to finish at no more then 10"-12" max above (8-10" even better).
With a true scrog you should have colas from the net to tip of branches and nothing under the net.
The double net method is IMO not a scrog, it's plant support. If you have so much plant above your net that you need to add a second one, it wasn't trained long enough under the net. With the double net method you dont have a nice short even canopy, you get a very deep canopy with little light penetration and certainly not down to your first net.
With a true scrog you get almost no fluff, all flowers are getting all the light they need becuase the difference from your top buds to bottom buds is less than a foot.
In adition to the two photos in my post above..
You can see where this WHite Widow was topped several times and kept low, that main stem is only about 3" high
This OG below is finishing up it's 2nd week of flower, It looks like it still has alot of stretch left in it but I'm hoping it wont need to be tucked again as I'm running out of net.
Some strains have there own idea about what will happen with a scrog. I had a nice even top canopy almost all holes filed and when I flipped to flower the stretch was almost triple the height of the scrog net in two weeks and different from plant to plant! Since these Incredible Bulk plants are reputed to have boxing glove sized colas I decided to add the second net for support. It will be easier than YOYOs. So what started as a scrog turned into a support net.
Training has started!. Im a touch excited..
That's Widow looks disgustingly beautiful.. and complicated. I have so much to learn
looking good dude keep it up
UP. 15 days..
We are brothers together!
OK, im in. Day 44 from sprout, 14 days flipped 12/12, 4th day since pistil spotted.
Still need to clean up bottom, was going to wait till day 54, ( 2 weeks real flower )
I would like to tuck more, but all my holes are almost filled, and some of the branches i dont want to break. The empty spots remaining, actually have tops starting to clean the net. I dont expect huge heavy colas tho, but she is climbing fast.
Let me on info if you have any pointers, first scrog.
I did not tuck long enough and so I got a support system instead of a SCROG. You need to continue to tuck a couple of weeks into flower. So it looks like you need to keep tucking.
It is too bad that the really experienced guys don't seem to be willing to guide us in this effort!
There is more you can do. In addition to tucking well into flower (strain dependant so unless you know what it will do already, it's a guessing game on when to stop), you can also make sure your light is bright enough or close enough to slow the stretch phase down and try to maintain a tight temperature differentials from day to night. The larger the temp diff. the more stretch you will get.
Beyond that all you can do is practice. I'd start by underfilling the net, once you get your training down and can maintain a nice short even canopy of colas in the net, you can start working on longer veg to fill the net more. This is better becuase once you are out of net you are done, no more tucking. But if you underfill it, you have room if needed and you can keep tucking longer into flower.
Im guessing unless your running clones and a sealed environment its a guessing game when to switch. I would of thought over filling a net is better for yield than an under filled net?
Question for all you fellow scroggers: Whats the best yield you've pulled from a 4'x4' SCROG and what type of lighting did you use ?
Today I doubled all the branches and bigger I spent tape. I believe it's enough now. I'm already entering 3 weeks of flowers ..
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