First organic grow, need help day 23 of flower

Discussion in 'Organics' started by jayzigger, Apr 17, 2018.

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    jayzigger

    jayzigger Member

    Problem: leaves are starting to yellow on 1 plant, other plant looks good.

    strain: bubba kush

    Transplanted into an 5 gal fab pots organic mix 30 days ago: 30% hot compost and the rest soil mixture with feed in it + aeration/base and 30% perlite

    Watered with an early flower tea every 4-5 days until most of the stretch was finished then started giving it late flower tea.

    600watt led viparspectra (276w actual draw)

    Temps: 18-25c and 45-65%rh

    If it’s a nitrogen deficiency how do I deal with this as a noob organic grower

    More details in pics. Thanks
     

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    Tyleb173rd

    Tyleb173rd Well-Known Member

    That doesn’t look bad to me dude. What is in the flower tea.
     
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    ShLUbY

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    N def starts from the bottom and works upwards on the plant, not from the top. typically yellowing at the top means that the pH of the medium is off, and limiting the photosynthesis potential of the plant because metals used in the photosynthesis reactions are not soluble in the soil. checking soil pH would be the first place I would start. you can get a pH test kit from the big hardware stores.

    agreed though, the plant doesn't look bad
     
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    rollangrow

    rollangrow Active Member

    I would wait before trying anything, with organic gardening you need to give the soil a chance to fix its self. Could just be adjusting to the new tea you are feeding... wait, if it becomes a problem try to ID it and then play doctor. good luck
     
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    jayzigger

    jayzigger Member

    Soil is:

    Organic gardening solutions premium no til soil

    And

    Organic gardening solutions supersoil compost



    Tea used ingredients:

    Early flower:

    Neem Cake, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Malted Barley, Soluble Kelp, Fulvic & Humic Acid, Blood Meal, Bone Meal, Oyster Shell, Soluble Azomite, OGS Special Blend of Bacteria Dominate Microbes.

    Late flower:

    Neem Cake, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Wheat Bran, Malted Barley, Soluble Kelp, Fulvic & Humic Acid, Guano, Blood Meal, Bone Meal, Potash, Oyster Shell, Soluble Azomite, OGS Special Blend of Fungal Dominate Microbes


    Also watered with amino acids once or twice specifically a form of Microbe Digested fish hydrolysate, could this have caused issues??




    They have been in this potting mixture for roughly 25 days now. Is it possible it needs more compost or feed? The yellowing of leaves started at bottom below canopy where there is little light and has been working it’s way up.

    Could it be ph lockout? I thought this wouldn’t be an issue because I started with a good soil.

    Thanks for your help in advance.

    Peace
     
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    ShLUbY

    ShLUbY Well-Known Member

    those tea recipes make my head hurt (no offense, it's just not philosophy for soil growing)... if you started with a good complete soil.. there is no need for nutrient teas. you're better off topdressing amendments than brewing teas because there is so much insoluble nutrients in the tea ingredients. topdressing allows everything to be broken down and made available.

    typically yellowing at the top points to pH issues with the soil... the only way to know is to test the pH of your soil with a kit, or a QUALITY pH soil meter (i.e. not the cheap ones at the garden stores). get a soil test kit (they're cheap an available at home depot, lowes, etc.), follow the instructions and figure out where you are at before you make any adjustments.
     
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    Fast dog

    Fast dog Well-Known Member

    Your complicating it to the extreme, less is more, I also would leave it it looks fine to me. People always create the problems the moment they think something is wrong they charge in with all sorts trying to remedy what they think is the problem when in fact they are creating it, sit back for now and just observe it for a few days if growth is good leave it, I would forget the tea also it’s a waste with all the stuff your putting into it I would just top dress with some EWC and some kelp simple.
     
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    kratos015

    kratos015 Well-Known Member

    +1 on ditching the teas. They cause more problems than they help.

    The first hurdle to get over when converting to organics is being able to leave things alone and be 100% confident in your soil. By making a tea, you're essentially using the soil as a medium for your teas as opposed to creating a thriving and living soil. As was pointed out, you likely have a pH problem and I'm pretty damn sure it's because of the teas. I had the same issue because it was hard for me to actually believe it was truly "water only" and struggled to ditch the hydro mentality.

    Fortunately, it's an easy enough fix. I looked up your soil recipe and it seems solid enough all by itself.

    Ditch the teas and use nothing but water. The soil should correct itself within a few days to a week max.
     
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    jayzigger

    jayzigger Member

    Hi Kratos and shluby,

    Thanks for taking the time to look up soil recipe, read and respond. I’ll ditch everything and go water only from now on. Will keep you updated here and there (: thanks for your help.
     
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    kkt3

    kkt3 Well-Known Member

    Plants look good. Leaves will typically start to yellow in flower. What I do is apply a top dressing of my fresh earthworm castings at 2 and 4 weeks of flower. It's amazing what that does for the girls. If you don't have a worm bin, start one. They are magic!!
     
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    RetiredGuerilla

    RetiredGuerilla Well-Known Member

    Teas are great just depends on what you use and how much. Maxi-crop liquid kelp is the bomb. Earth juice has never given me problems. Fish emulsion is good in small amounts. My favorite is putting a 2 cups of worm castings in a gallon jug let it set overnight and shaking the hell out of it before watering. If you get GOOD quality seabird and bat guano that shit is the bomb too. During the soil mixing add epsom salt and lime. You should be good to go after that.
     

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