Flavors n Taste....

Discussion in 'General Marijuana Growing' started by Tankado78, Dec 1, 2017.

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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member


    I really don’t have the time to breakdown how these two articles are applicable. This is exactly what I was referring to when I said...



    “in a nutshell”;



    -Nutrient needs change throughout bloom

    -These needs are strain dependent, as their needs change depending on terpene/cannabinoid/carotenoid development

    -Each terpene/cannabinoid/carotenoid type requires different nutrients for biosynthesis

    -Different strains develop their terpene profiles on unique schedules (eg; starts out smelling like fuel, ends with earthy chocolate nose VS starts out earthy, finishes with fuel nose)

    -“One balanced feed” throughout bloom will not accommodate a given strains needs

    -Spikes in a particular terpenes development will coincide with spikes in varying nutrient requirements

    -In a “balanced feed”, nutrient deficits in terpene requirements may not result in visible deficiencies, but in weakened terpene profile/development (think “mediocre” VS “optimum”)

    -Knowing the terpene development schedule of a strain and the nutrient requirements of those terpenes, coupled with the knowledge/ability to “deliver”/facilitate nutrient uptake/biosynthesis can lead to a broader terpene profile and greater terpene development


    Rather than “One balanced feed”, a strain specific nutrient regimen that is dialed to terpene development and takes environmental factors into account is “optimal”.
     
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    GreenHighlander

    GreenHighlander Well-Known Member

    The best answer to all of this that I have personally found is trying to supply a rich balance mix that my girls can use what they need to from.
    It has been the easiest with the best results for me.
    Cheers :)
     
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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member

    They had it right back then. “New science” came along and screwed up. I think that was early 90’s when the “1 minute rest period” bs came out.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger’s “Encyclopedia of Bodybuilding”. Read that when I was 15, used it as “training wheels”. Started out as a “power lifter”, almost got into bodybuilding, now I’m just trying to stay in shape. :bigjoint:


    I’ve been hanging dumbbells from their branches, not working out so well. :bigjoint:
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    Need more potassium for stronger branch “guns”. ;-)
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    I understand. One question though. And the doubt of manipulating natural processes for an overall better result is why I still disagree this is the path to better pot.

    What is lost while we manipulate the parameter we are focusing on?

    We haven’t even identified all the different canabanoids yet. Or exactly how they develop.
     
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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member

    This also highlights another point. It’s knowing “Why?”. Knowing why that 2+ minute break is important is what kept me from falling for “the hype” and bs “new science”.Sometimes “Why?” contradicts what we know for fact, sometimes “Why?” makes all the sense in the world. Knowing “Why?” is crucial.
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member

    Agreed.

    This is my main point in any discussion.

    That’s why I argue with the “experts” that say things like Sulfer Grows trichs. Or a certain light bulb is better.

    Why?

    The answer is almost always. They don’t know. They were told.
     
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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member

    If that’s the case, take a bag of landrace regs, throw them around the yard, and let it ride.

    Nothing should be lost, our efforts should be “all encompassing”, and regimen “optimal”.

    No, but if we “embrace” the idea of “strain dependent optimal feed”, use what we do “know”, and “experiment” to the best of our abilities/capabilities, then it is possible to further dial in the needs of a given strain. That also means that it is possible to “enhance” the terpene profile of a particular strain based on known terpenes and their nutrient requirements. *Cough* as @Dr. Who said *cough*
     
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    tyke1973

    tyke1973 Well-Known Member

    Dude i Struggle with Writing ,its not something you should make some one look a twat with ,Just dont read it .
     
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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member

    Damn, guess I should return this case of “Muscle Milk” I planned on “force feeding” them. I heard “Branched chain aminos” and was sold, made sense at the time.
     
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    GreenHighlander

    GreenHighlander Well-Known Member

    I give my girls fight milk. Got a mad hookup from charlie day himself :P
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    But as good as my soil is around my yard the light is not always optimal and the season can be short and rainy.

    So I want landrace seeds grown in Hawaii or somewhere optimal.

    And you didn’t really answer to changing the original profile of the strain through manipulation of terpenes or whatever is being focused on.

    If the plant is making more or stronger one thing what is it lacking in now?

    Nature is like that eh? It doesn’t work well when we tamper with its balance.
     
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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member


    We aren’t looking to “change” the profile (at least, I’m not), just “enhance”. A strain predisposed to “fuel”, bring out more fuel, “citrus”, get us much citrus as you can.

    Nothing should be lacking, nothing lost, or compromised. Ideally, you’re filling in appropriately where there was a “deficiency”. Again, this isn’t to say that a given terpene wasn’t being developed at all, or that the plant was exhibiting signs of deficiency, but that there was room for improvement/enhancement through timing and application.

    Taking the “super bomb sticky” to the next level.
     
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    GreenHighlander

    GreenHighlander Well-Known Member

    Again I agree. I just personally feel one of my girls knows better then I do what she needs.
    There is no "super bomb sticky" that can be forced on a cannabis plant. Yes they certainly do differ in uptake and output but there is no magic secret .
    Cannabis was "super bomb sticky" before we came along, and she will be "super bomb sticky" long after we are gone.
    Nowadays I view my cannabis much like I do my vegetables, fruit trees, beef, pork, chicken, pond full of trout.
    The food science, has actually proven organic contain higher nutrients then conventional industrial farming. The proof to me is in the science and the taste.
    The science is not yet there in regards to cannabis but the difference I have noticed in my medicine between "feed the soil grown" and "feed the plant from a bottle grown" is not even comparable. I believe we will see science is also eventually going to back up the nutrient content (cannabinoids/turpines, etc) in cannabis just like it has in other plants.
    I know based on my own experience and a few others I know , this sure seems to be the case.
    Cheers :)
     
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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member

    Had to look up “Fight Milk”, but now I’m ready to watch my profits soar!
     
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    GreenHighlander

    GreenHighlander Well-Known Member


    HAHAHAHAHA Nice one. I choked on my smoke lol
     
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    Odin*

    Odin* Well-Known Member

    Same strain, “mids” VS “super bomb sticky”. That “super bomb” is closer to optimal, “mids” far from optimal. It is through manipulation of the environment and nutrient regimen that optimal can be achieved. “Optimal” being the plant’s full potential.

    Are you suggesting that someone has already achieved “optimal”, that it doesn’t get any better? Chances are “none” (“slim” doesn’t fit here).
     
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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    It has already been overbred, seized and lost way past “optimal”.
     
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    GreenHighlander

    GreenHighlander Well-Known Member

    I can tell you that optimal for some strains. Specifically some Sativas is less. Not more. Blueberry is another I can think of off hand.
    I am just saying it is not all about pumping up this or that. She knows what she is doing. You make everything she needs available to her she will reach optimal. In MY experience again a lot of strains will not reach optimal for medical use without those nutrients being made available like it would be in nature. Ya you might get super high and you might get a huge yield. But it does not have the same medical benefit for me and others I know.
    I would also like to say that yes some strains do like everything super heavy.
    Cheers :)
     
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    GreenHighlander

    GreenHighlander Well-Known Member

    I also agree sadly with this. It haunts me to think what has been lost thanks to prohibition and the drive for high yields and high THC :(
     
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