For The Record..

travisw

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Do you feel that the Democrats can win elections if they alienate the progressive wing of the party? Do you feel that they could win back the White House if Bernie were to run as an Independent?
It doesn't sound like they feel particularly alienated.

In a recent interview Nina Turner, president of Bernie's Our Revolution, was asked:
CM: How will Our Revolution relate to the DNC, the DCCC, the DSCC, that kind of establishment that so many activists and politicians, including you, have frequently criticized?
NT: I don’t think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. It’s their job to fit in with us.
https://www.thenation.com/article/nina-turner-it-is-not-our-job-to-fit-into-the-democratic-establishment/

As to the second part, Bernie himself has admitted, had the dems not allowed him to run, he couldn't have done it as an independent.

"In terms of media coverage, you had to run within the Democratic Party," he observed, adding that he couldn't raise money outside the major two-party process.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-bernie-sanders-democrat-president-third-party-20160328-story.html
 

st0wandgrow

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thanks for voting jill stein, michigan voter.

it's not like that was exactly what a russian propaganda campaign microtargeted you with the intent of doing or anything.





weak, weak mind.
Were the Russians micro targeting my weak mind in 2008? Because that’s about the time that I determined that I would never cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.

I know it pains you to admit it, but she was an awful candidate. The fact that she lost to the most unpopular candidate for potus EVER speaks to that buck. Your endless stream of excuses demonstrates that it is you that has the weak mind.

Excuses are for losers
 

Fogdog

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Do you feel that the Democrats can win elections if they alienate the progressive wing of the party? Do you feel that they could win back the White House if Bernie were to run as an Independent?
This is a threat -- Give us Bernie or we'll give you Trump. Thanks for confirming your willingness to use it.

There are some ideals that I can't and won't concede. I'm going to side with my black and brown brothers and sisters and choose a candidate who can be a good leader for all of us, not those who would tell them to set civil rights issues aside for the good of the country. I also won't vote for somebody in the primary who says they are against abortion and gay marriage, like Tulsi Gabbart says she personally is. It doesn't matter what her voting record is, she will never be a good leader for the entire Democratic Party if she doesn't understand the issues. Same goes with Sanders, who says "people are tired of political correctness rhetoric". Oh, sure, his voting record is OK but he doesn't understand the issues and therefore isn't qualified to lead the Democratic Party.

I'm talking about the primary. Come the general election if I have a choice between a Democrat I have no enthusiasm for and a full blown white supremacist-Republican, I'll vote Democrat every time. I expect that progressive independents will make the same choice because that's what good people do. They make the best choice according to what they know at the time and according to the choices available.
 

Fogdog

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Were the Russians micro targeting my weak mind in 2008? Because that’s about the time that I determined that I would never cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.

I know it pains you to admit it, but she was an awful candidate. The fact that she lost to the most unpopular candidate for potus EVER speaks to that buck. Your endless stream of excuses demonstrates that it is you that has the weak mind.

Excuses are for losers
She won the primary. Bernie lost. Would you have overturned the will of the majority prior to the DNC? Sanders and his supporters tried to do just that. Just what kind of excuse are you making regarding Bernie's loss?

Bernie was well liked and lost to Clinton who wasn't well liked. Trump beat out a field of candidates, all of whom were liked more than he was. You somehow think that being well liked in an opinion poll makes a person the better candidate. I don't see how one can honestly say that they review the facts of the 2016 election.
 

st0wandgrow

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It doesn't sound like they feel particularly alienated.

In a recent interview Nina Turner, president of Bernie's Our Revolution, was asked:
CM: How will Our Revolution relate to the DNC, the DCCC, the DSCC, that kind of establishment that so many activists and politicians, including you, have frequently criticized?
NT: I don’t think it is our job nor our obligation to fit in. It’s their job to fit in with us.
https://www.thenation.com/article/nina-turner-it-is-not-our-job-to-fit-into-the-democratic-establishment/

As to the second part, Bernie himself has admitted, had the dems not allowed him to run, he couldn't have done it as an independent.
When I say alienating the progressive wing of the party, I’m referring to voters.

And yeah, I agree that Bernie could not have run as an Indy in 2016. He did not have the name recognition. 2020 would be different though, wouldn’t you agree? I’m pretty confident that he could pass the threshold in polling to get a seat on the debate stage at least.
 

Fogdog

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When I say alienating the progressive wing of the party, I’m referring to voters.

And yeah, I agree that Bernie could not have run as an Indy in 2016. He did not have the name recognition. 2020 would be different though, wouldn’t you agree? I’m pretty confident that he could pass the threshold in polling to get a seat on the debate stage at least.
I'm pretty confident he's not running in 2020. He's going to clip his book deal coupons and retire on fat speaking fees while fighting to keep out of jail for meddling in an investigation of his wife.. He's not the saint you guys put him up to be.
 

st0wandgrow

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This is a threat -- Give us Bernie or we'll give you Trump. Thanks for confirming your willingness to use it.

There are some ideals that I can't and won't concede. I'm going to side with my black and brown brothers and sisters and choose a candidate who can be a good leader for all of us, not those who would tell them to set civil rights issues aside for the good of the country. I also won't vote for somebody in the primary who says they are against abortion and gay marriage, like Tulsi Gabbart says she personally is. It doesn't matter what her voting record is, she will never be a good leader for the entire Democratic Party if she doesn't understand the issues. Same goes with Sanders, who says "people are tired of political correctness rhetoric". Oh, sure, his voting record is OK but he doesn't understand the issues and therefore isn't qualified to lead the Democratic Party.

I'm talking about the primary. Come the general election if I have a choice between a Democrat I have no enthusiasm for and a full blown white supremacist-Republican, I'll vote Democrat every time. I expect that progressive independents will make the same choice because that's what good people do. They make the best choice according to what they know at the time and according to the choices available.
It’s not a threat, it’s a fact. I owe nothing to the Dem party, and will not just happily swallow whatever shit burger they serve up. You’re free to do so if you wish.

You love to try and suggest that anyone other than the dem candidate can possibly represent minorities effectively. I’ve yet to see any evidence that Hillary Clinton did anything other than pay lip service to that demographic...and yet she’s anointed as the POC candidate.

I’d bet my last dollar that a president sanders would do more for minorities than the vast majority of establishment Dems would do. Politicians lie, and say what people want to hear non stop. You’ve fallen for it apparently, but I want someone in office that will walk the talk.

If the Bernie wing of the party is so out of touch with voters, then you have nothing to worry about....
 

Fogdog

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It’s not a threat, it’s a fact. I owe nothing to the Dem party, and will not just happily swallow whatever shit burger they serve up. You’re free to do so if you wish.

You love to try and suggest that anyone other than the dem candidate can possibly represent minorities effectively. I’ve yet to see any evidence that Hillary Clinton did anything other than pay lip service to that demographic...and yet she’s anointed as the POC candidate.

I’d bet my last dollar that a president sanders would do more for minorities than the vastt majority of establishment Dems would do. Politicians lie, and say what people want to hear non stop. You’ve fallen for it apparently, but I want someone in office that will walk the talk.

If the Bernie wing of the party is so out of touch with voters, then you have nothing to worry about....
Clinton won the support of 75% of African Americans and 65% of Hispanic Americans. Unless you are making the claim that they are more gullible than white people, then that's all one needs to say about which candidate best represented these two groups who make up 40% of the Democratic Party. If you think Black and Hispanic people aren't able to understand issues that specifically affect them while white so-called progressives understand them better than anybody else, please say so.

I'm glad to see you can put so much faith into one person that you are willing to bet your entire wealth on him. I suggest you do so by donating everything to his Our Revolution reform effort. Do it now. Sure, you will be poor but happy and your kids will get free college after Bernie shows up as prez and tells the Republican Congress to tow his line because opinion polls.
 

UncleBuck

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When I say alienating the progressive wing of the party, I’m referring to voters.

And yeah, I agree that Bernie could not have run as an Indy in 2016. He did not have the name recognition. 2020 would be different though, wouldn’t you agree? I’m pretty confident that he could pass the threshold in polling to get a seat on the debate stage at least.
You're not progressive though. You compare blm to terrorist organizations ya racist st00ge
 

Fogdog

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Nonsense. You’ve gone to the well of half truths and misrepresentation too many times buck. Everyone knows your gig here.
I'll tell you what's nonsense is a white guy from Canada who made his bones in the most white of all pro sports thinks he understands civil rights issues better than Black and Hispanic people who have lived here their entire lives and with family history in this country going back generations.

I’d bet my last dollar that a president sanders would do more for minorities than the vast majority of establishment Dems would do.
 

UncleBuck

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Nonsense....half truths...misrepresentation
nope. you remind me of when padaraper denies calling people "f*****ots" or schuylaar denies calling jews "flithy lying rats". or when tty calls his own quotes about not talking about racism "out of context".

you bernietards are inveterate liars.

I asked if the people advocating killing cops and beating up white people in the BLM movement should be called out
 

st0wandgrow

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I'll tell you what's nonsense is a white guy from Canada who made his bones in the most white of all pro sports thinks he understands civil rights issues better than Black and Hispanic people who have lived here their entire lives and with family history in this country going back generations.
As opposed to a lily white male living in the lily white state of Oregon?

lol
 

Fogdog

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As opposed to a lily white male living in the lily white state of Oregon?

lol
The difference is, I defer to people with real experience in these issues because I don't think I have all the answers. It really matters to me that Clinton received 75% of support of Black Democratic voters to only 25% for Sanders. I looked further into what Bernie and Clinton were saying and there was a huge difference between them.
 

st0wandgrow

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nope. you remind me of when padaraper denies calling people "f*****ots" or schuylaar denies calling jews "flithy lying rats". or when tty calls his own quotes about not talking about racism "out of context".

you bernietards are inveterate liars.
lol

That’s what I thought buck. More nonsense from you. If you think that quote of mine is “comparing blm to terrorist organizations” then you’ve officially jumped the shark.

Coming from someone that is sexist, supports Israel’s carnage toward Muslims, and denigrates our soldiers by calling them “stupid bullet catchers” you are in no position to be tossing around accusations.

Go change a diaper. You seem to be in the mood to fling shit.
 

st0wandgrow

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The difference is, I defer to people with real experience in these issues because I don't think I have all the answers. It really matters to me that Clinton received 75% of support of Black Democratic voters to only 25% for Sanders. I looked further into what Bernie and Clinton were saying and there was a huge difference between them.


Clinton has said a lot of things. She has made a career out of political calculations. What has she done though (aside from championing a crime bill that did more to harm the black community than anything has since the civil rights era)?
 

Fogdog

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lol

That’s what I thought buck. More nonsense from you. If you think that quote of mine is “comparing blm to terrorist organizations” then you’ve officially jumped the shark.

Coming from someone that is sexist, supports Israel’s carnage toward Muslims, and denigrates our soldiers by calling them “stupid bullet catchers” you are in no position to be tossing around accusations.

Go change a diaper. You seem to be in the mood to fling shit.
dude, he literally quoted you guys. You can explain yourself better or you can say you feel differently now but don't act as if literally repeating back what you or other bernietards said is some sort of unfair, outrageous and awful thing to do. Grow up already.
 

st0wandgrow

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dude, he literally quoted you guys. You can explain yourself better or you can say you feel differently now but don't act as if literally repeating back what you or other bernietards said is some sort of unfair, outrageous and awful thing to do. Grow up already.
That’s what buck does. He takes a quote out of context and then tries to marginalize you with it. Look at the whole exchange. You were just bitching about the same thing earlier this morning towards someone else. Shall I dig up your quote?

I was not comparing blm to a terrorist organization. I support blm, but like with any movement, there will be bad actors. I was simply asking if the bad actors should be called out. To me it smears the movement, and distracts from their message.

I did mistakenly attribute that Dallas shooter to blm though. I have since learned that he was not associated with blm. I was wrong about that, but I stand by the rest of my comments.
 

UncleBuck

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aside from championing a crime bill that did more to harm the black community than anything has since the civil rights era
ummmm, are you so fucking retarded and hypocritical that you forgot that bernie voted for that bill?

so did 2/3 of the congressional black caucus. but keep repeating dishonest trump talking points that he used in debates.

hack
 
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