For those who want to make oil at home....how about this unit.

thelast1

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It may be simple to grow but easy for those who are disabled or partially disabled is another thing completely.
see this is an mmj forum...in case you hadn't noticed.
And those disabled people have the right to get their meds where they want, not where some crack pots think they should.
 

CalyxCrusher

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The pump should run as long as you purge. Its a key point really. If you lock off the vac at a certain pressure the purge will stop.
That machine does not run a vac the entire process.....they say it starts and stops...
A good pump will run you 600 bucks alone.
The best value vacs are complete shit by comparison to a real pump and will overheat and die after 3 hour continuous use.

any left over grain alcohol wont kill you though..
left over anything else inst a good thing really..
I agree. But to be fair. It does hold a vacuum the whole time. Is that not enough though? No extraction expert myself
 

natureboygrower

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I agree. But to be fair. It does hold a vacuum the whole time. Is that not enough though? No extraction expert myself
i personally dont think it is.i like the idea of the (lab grade)pump pulling solvent back and out of the chamber.what is going on inside the chamber holding vac after you shut the pump off? where is the solvent going? evaporating?bouncing around only to fall back onto the extract? i do not follow or subscribe to that thought process.i also dont like pumps that need oil.the pos best valu pump i had got hot af and SMOKED like a mofo.i dont want that running inside my home or something volatile like etoh mixing with the oil.to each their own,im not an expert either,but i will probably never use an electric vac pump that uses oil,ever again
 

gb123

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I agree. But to be fair. It does hold a vacuum the whole time. Is that not enough though? No extraction expert myself
I know that to do this it works best if it runs the entire time.......and you need a good pump to do that. locking it down sees the purge stop hence why the machine starts again.... I tried it as that's all you could do with the best value vacs
 

greg nr

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i personally dont think it is.i like the idea of the (lab grade)pump pulling solvent back and out of the chamber.what is going on inside the chamber holding vac after you shut the pump off? where is the solvent going? evaporating?bouncing around only to fall back onto the extract? i do not follow or subscribe to that thought process.i also dont like pumps that need oil.the pos best valu pump i had got hot af and SMOKED like a mofo.i dont want that running inside my home or something volatile like etoh mixing with the oil.to each their own,im not an expert either,but i will probably never use an electric vac pump that uses oil,ever again
The top lid is chilled with ice and tilted back. Presumably it condenses and falls down into a collection area. It won't evaporate again unless it warms up.
 

natureboygrower

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The top lid is chilled with ice and tilted back. Presumably it condenses and falls down into a collection area. It won't evaporate again unless it warms up.
hmm.id be weighing my solvent up before then after this process before id even consider dabbing.this is nothing but a gimmick toy in my eyes.$900 lol,what a joke.
 

CalyxCrusher

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i personally dont think it is.i like the idea of the (lab grade)pump pulling solvent back and out of the chamber.what is going on inside the chamber holding vac after you shut the pump off? where is the solvent going? evaporating?bouncing around only to fall back onto the extract? i do not follow or subscribe to that thought process.i also dont like pumps that need oil.the pos best valu pump i had got hot af and SMOKED like a mofo.i dont want that running inside my home or something volatile like etoh mixing with the oil.to each their own,im not an expert either,but i will probably never use an electric vac pump that uses oil,ever again
Agreed, but how many people can afford a vacuum pump made specifically for solvents? Thats around 500 or more itself. Skunk farms wrote an interesting Article on how an improper pump contaminates your product, so I agree with you about those pumps that use oil. This seems more for small batch personal production. And unless theres another solution for $1k(Canadian), this seems not too bad
 

natureboygrower

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Agreed, but how many people can afford a vacuum pump made specifically for solvents? Thats around 500 or more itself. Skunk farms wrote an interesting Article on how an improper pump contaminates your product, so I agree with you about those pumps that use oil. This seems more for small batch personal production. And unless theres another solution for $1k(Canadian), this seems not too bad
im at work right now but i wanted to answer your post.its simple to me,i wouldnt jeopardize my health with something inferior because i cant afford a real pump.nor do i want others,thats all im getting at.learn a different method.simple organic chemistry,extraction,distillation,ice hash(remember hash?),rosin...oil/concentrates are sexy right now,why everyone wants to do it.but the health issues and negative results are not in yet and people are taking silly risks.this kitchen rig might be great for edibles not for smoking imo.what do you suppose is the most $$$ part on thst thing? the ss bowl? hardly worth the $900 cost.

edit. whats more important? your health or dabs?:peace:
 
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gb123

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And those disabled people have the right to get their meds where they want, not where some crack pots think they should.
WOW and here I was beginning to think you were just way to daft to grasp that concept!
WTG
Give the man a hero biscuit,,,he finally figured out that some LP shill at a MMJ forum has no reason to be here.

WTG fool..not such a fool after all eh..(:

These crack pot shills that come here one after the next to push poison on unsuspecting patients...
Its a sad crying shame..

shame on you fools. for shame..!
 

greg nr

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I've only made tincture to date and haven't really had a reason to reduce it to oil, but do you guys really extract with iso or another non-food grade solvent?

I would say this unit isn't the best for those using non-edible solvents. I'ts not a piece of lab equipment. It's not designed for production use.

It's a kitchen appliance. It's designed to do one thing, reduce an extract at low duty cycles. It isn't going to take a solvent down to near zero levels. It isn't designed to run 24x7.

I wouldn't buy one, but that is because of the cost and my lack of need. But if I relied on oils for daily use, I'd certainly consider it. It would save me hours of messy kitchen work on a regular basis. Yes, I still have to make the extract, but that can be done in bulk and put in the freezer.
 

zoic

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health issues and negative results are not in yet
Well I think you have made your point clear, although you fail to substantiate it. I am unclear on how you would dab oil, it is not resin. Regardless, I think this machine would quell my wife's concern about safety and provide me with a usable means to create some oil for edibles and some caps for medicine. I do not do dabs, and to me bubble hash is a process gone wrong. I like my terpenes thank you very much.
 

gb123

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transporting across borders? lol In Ontario..
I can get it for free if I ask,,,,maybe I should give it a try for shits and giggles.. at least the 93% isnt denatured.
although....what is the other 7 % ? water?
The idea of having a residual in a concentrate is what bugs me..
Id have to buy a declaimer as well..
 

greg nr

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transporting across borders? lol In Ontario..
I can get it for free if I ask,,,,maybe I should give it a try for shits and giggles.. at least the 93% isnt denatured.
although....what is the other 7 % ? water?
The idea of having a residual in a concentrate is what bugs me..
Id have to buy a declaimer as well..
You are missing the point (intentionally?). If you use a food grade solvent - something that is generally considered safe to consume - it doesn't matter if there are residuals. Even in a concentrate. You aren't dabbing this stuff, you are cooking with it or putting it under your toungue or making a lotion out of it.

LP's and vendors of all kinds are selling bto and worse. This is baby food compared to that stuff.
 

natureboygrower

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Well I think you have made your point clear, although you fail to substantiate it. I am unclear on how you would dab oil, it is not resin..
you are exactly right,it is oil,just like my final product(which i have dabbed,a thick oil)as far as "failing to substantiate" all i am saying,thats IMO ,that little pump aint going to cut it for smoking.you dont think people will see that and think to smoke it? once again,yes,edibles are probably a safe bet with this rig.you dont get nice terps with hash?
 

gb123

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not missing your point at all...
what is the 7%, even if there is residual Alcohol that isnt what bugs me at all.
its the 7%

I have used IPA 99% for years.
Killed my cancer with it.
There are better ways for sure!

the stuff the machine makes ...isnt for smoking ..
 

greg nr

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It's the same stuff that is in vodka and every other white ethanol distillate.

Isopropyl alcohol is essentially poison. It is an industrial solvent, not approved for use in foods.

Toxicology[edit]
Isopropyl alcohol and its metabolite, acetone, act as central nervous system (CNS) depressants.[25] Symptoms of isopropyl alcohol poisoning include flushing, headache, dizziness, CNS depression, nausea, vomiting, anesthesia, hypothermia, hypotension, shock, respiratory depression, and coma.[25] Poisoning can occur from ingestion, inhalation, or skin absorption; therefore, well-ventilated areas and protective gloves are recommended.

Around 15 g of isopropyl alcohol can have a toxic effect on a 70 kg human if left untreated.[26] However, it is not nearly as toxic as methanol or ethylene glycol.

Isopropyl alcohol does not cause an anion gap acidosis (in which a lowered blood serum pH causes depletion of bicarbonate anion) but it produces a osmolal gap between the calculated and measured osmolalities of serum, as do the other alcohols.[25]

Overdoses may cause a fruity odor on the breath as a result of its metabolism to acetone, which is further metabolized to produce the nutrients acetate and glucose.[27]

Isopropyl alcohol is oxidized to form acetone by alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver.[25]

The biological half-life of isopropyl alcohol in humans is between 2.5 and 8.0 hours.[25]

Isopropyl alcohol is denatured for certain uses, in which case the NFPA 704 rating is changed to 2,3,1.​

You are now officially missing any point made here. You would consume trace elements of a poison but are concerned with water and substances consumed every day.

Ethanol is a food grade solvent. It won't hurt you (outside of alcoholism but that isn't the point either). It's inert ingredients won't hurt you.
 
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