Fundamentals of Deism

medicineman

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DEISM VS. REVEALED RELIGION
Revelation, or revealed religion, is defined in Webster's New World Dictionary as: "God's disclosure to man of Himself." This should read, "God's alleged disclosure to man of himself." For unless God reveals to each of us individually that a particular religion is truly His disclosure to us of Himself, then, by believing that religion, we are not taking His word for it, but we are instead putting our belief in the person or institution telling us it is so. This is what we are doing when we believe in any revealed religion, and that's all Christianity is. It's a revealed religion like many others such as Islam and Judaism. Revealed religion gets dangerous however, when it crosses over the line into politics. This is the admitted goal of the Christian Coalition. God allegedly revealed to Pat Robertson and his Coalition, that He wants them to take over America and eventually the world with "His Word," so the laws of the nations will mirror the laws in the Bible, which, if you know what's in the Bible, is terrifying. This, too, is what the Ayatollah's goal was, only his "revealed word of God" was the Koran, an other revelation. Are we to believe Pat when he says the Bible is revelation of God's Word?
As THINK! has already offered several examples in the above article, YANKING THE TEETH FROM THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT, taken directly from the Bible itself to prove itself false and NOT the Word of God, reason alone will now be used to demonstrate Christianity is NOT revelation from God.

Thomas Paine, the man who elucidated Deism for the masses and who is the primary personal impetus for THINK! and the World Union of Deists, wrote:
"The Calvinist, who damns children of a span long to hell to burn forever for the glory of God (and this is called Christianity), and the Universalist who preaches that all shall be saved and none shall be damned (and this also is called Christianity), boasts alike of their holy [reveled] religion and their Christian faith.

"Something more therefore is necessary than mere cry and wholesale assertion, and that something is TRUTH; and as inquiry is the road to truth, he that is opposed to inquiry is not a friend to truth. "The God of truth is not the God of fable; when, therefore, any book is introduced into the world as the Word of God, and made a groundwork for religion, it ought to be scrutinized more than other books to see if it bear evidence of being what it is called. Our reverence to God demands that we do this, lest we ascribe to God what is not His, and our duty to ourselves demands it lest we take fable for fact, and rest our hope of salvation on a false foundation.

"It is not our calling a book holy that makes it so, any more than our calling a religion holy that entitles it to the name. Inquiry therefore is necessary in order to arrive at truth. But inquiry must have some principle to proceed on, some standard to judge by, superior to human authority.

"When we survey the works of creation, the revolutions of the planetary system, and the whole economy of what is called nature, which is no other than the laws the Creator has prescribed to matter, we see unerring order and universal harmony reigning throughout the whole. No one part contradicts another. The sun does not run against the moon, nor the moon against the sun, nor the planets against each other. Everything keeps its appointed time and place.

"This harmony in the works of God is so obvious, that the farmer of the field, though he cannot calculate eclipses, is as sensible of it as the philosophical astronomer. He sees the God of order in every part of the visible universe."

"Here, then, is the standard to which everything must be brought that pretends to be the work or Word of God, and by this standard it must be judged, independently of anything and everything that man can say or do. His opinion is like a feather in the scale compared with the standard that God Himself has set up."
Since we know we did not create the creation or ourselves, yet we and the creation do exist, it is logical to believe that God, or an Eternal Cause or Creator created us. This belief has absolutely nothing to do with revealed religion. In fact, all the absurdities of revealed religion are responsible for many sincere thinking people to reject and close their minds to natural religion/Deism. The priests, ministers, and rabbis need to suppress, or at least complicate, the pure and simple belief and realization of Deism for their own job security. And the power elites have no use for Deism because they can't use Deism to "inspire" mankind to wage war against itself for the elitists' own selfish purposes. In fact, Deism, by focusing on the first creed of all religions, belief in God, could frustrate the war/money machine permanently.

The following quote from Thomas Jefferson points us in a direction free of the confusion of priest-craft and revealed religion:
"I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the universe, in its parts, general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance of centrifugal and centripetal forces; the structure of the Earth itself, with its distribution of lands, waters and atmosphere; animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles; insects, mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organized as man or mammoth; the mineral substances, their generation and uses, it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe, that there is in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a Fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their Preserver and Regulator, while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regeneration into new and other forms. We see, too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power, to maintain the universe in its course and order."
Because Deism is based on nature, the laws of nature, and the creation, it is a natural religion as opposed to revealed or man-made artificial religion.
 

medicineman

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Now Skunky, here's something you can sink your teeth into. Maybe, as you assume, man is just as godly as nature. That is the way of the American indians. They had no formal religion per-se, just a belief in the natural order of things and a higher power, the creator if you will! They usually had a medicine man, one endowed with more spirituality than the rest, to help them through crisis.
 

Token

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Yup the Indians had it pretty much right in my point of view, with a higher power instude of a god that everyone seem to think they have to prise else you are going to hell want to know what i call that "brain Washed" it is a form of control on everyone to keep you from thinking outside the box.:peace:


"Think for yourself and question authority"

Timothy Leary
 

medicineman

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"Think for yourself and question authority"

Timothy Leary
__________________I ran into him in northern Cal at a festival in Santa Cruz. Had a little chat. He was pretty intelligent and completly articulate. We talked about LSD and Peyote. He said he didn't know much about Peyote, but wanted to learn. I offered to bring him to Arizona and hook him up and he said he'd like that, but he never showed. We were both high on LSD at the time.
 

may

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While I have fought against the christian right and will continue to do so for the right to have an abortion and against the idea of life beginning at conseption. I do this though I see a blastocist implanted on the wall of a womb a life, but I do not want christian ideas of any sort making or changing the law.
While I have said this, its hard to show real fear of the christians, they wish to save life though I dissagree with that.

This can't be said of islam, with their sharia law where death is imposed for aposlasy or changing religion and other silly things.

As for judaism I can't remember a law they wished to force on us.

Do you see yourself as a medicine endowed with more spirituality us and are trying to help us through a crisis?
 

dankciti

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down with organized religion!!

iwere my cross in faith for humainty not in reverence of the church. its about faith in the world around you , your fellow (wo)man, and yourself especially. what else do we really have?
 

medicineman

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While I have fought against the christian right and will continue to do so for the right to have an abortion and against the idea of life beginning at conseption. I do this though I see a blastocist implanted on the wall of a womb a life, but I do not want christian ideas of any sort making or changing the law.
While I have said this, its hard to show real fear of the christians, they wish to save life though I dissagree with that.

This can't be said of islam, with their sharia law where death is imposed for aposlasy or changing religion and other silly things.

As for judaism I can't remember a law they wished to force on us.

Do you see yourself as a medicine endowed with more spirituality us and are trying to help us through a crisis?
Well, not exactly, although the planet is at the crises level in all respects. I am for common sense that says "All men are created equal" and it is incumbent on us as human beings to be part of the solution instead of embracing greed and wealth for wealths sake. We need to understand that it is the evil greed mongers that start and promote wars for profit. We need to understand that preaching Christianity is not the answer, living Christianity is. We need to instill in our children a sense of worth and well being without the insanity of competetiveness, a help your fellow man concept (Right out of Christianity) where a team is greater than the individual, you know the Do unto others thing. Can these things be attained, I know not, but without trying I'm pretty sure the world is on a fast track to hell. I have my beliefs and they include Christ as a great spirit, the son of God, so to speak. But I will not debunk all other believers in a spiritual entity, call him Budda, Mohammed, Krishna, great spirit, or whatever floats your boat. There is only one Creator, Jehova, God, or any name alluded to him. It is time for a great Reformation, Will I be the one to bring it on, not hardly, but I am surely ready for one. Footbal mentality has run it's course and humanity deserves a better way! that's all I'm doing here, presenting alternative Ideas. And yes sometimes I get a little pissed for I know what right is and abhore the wrong ways. Who knows, maybe I'm just crazy!
 

OhioGrown

Well-Known Member
"Think for yourself and question authority"

Timothy Leary
__________________I ran into him in northern Cal at a festival in Santa Cruz. Had a little chat. He was pretty intelligent and completly articulate. We talked about LSD and Peyote. He said he didn't know much about Peyote, but wanted to learn. I offered to bring him to Arizona and hook him up and he said he'd like that, but he never showed. We were both high on LSD at the time.
Medicineman, you are the MAN 20 times over.
first of all, i love Timothy Leary!! and if you know alot about LSD, you sure as hell should know who Tim was.
i honestly cant believe you met him!, and thats fantastic that he seemed intelligent and articulate...thats the people i like...who can Take LSD as a mind expanding drug/ inner exploration. See Tim knew how to use the drug properly; and not Abuse LSD to the point that it screws him up for life. he used it like i do---> Self exploration, Exploring ones Mind, seeing all that you can do with you brain..Ect...A learning drug.
anyways, im just glad that hes not some hippie bum, yet a Intelligent, standup man. Good news :)

P.S... What festival were you at in Cali ?? i would really like to know...Music Festivals are what i LIVE For !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Sparky4u

Active Member
Most religions I think were initially started for the right reasons.

The same questions we all have, we would all like to have answers to them. but perhaps no one person has the answers because they arent supposed to. If they did, and were also human, they would bend the answers til they found more personal uses for such power and abuse it, it is in our nature.

There are grave differences between the words "religion" and "creator". To chastize one is not to chastize the other, finding the truth between each spectrum is a lifelong road for sure, one I am grateful to be on.
 

Woodstock.Hippie

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Great Architect of the Universe

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"
Oh, Great Architect of the Universe!
God of my heart, Father-Mother
In your infinite wisdom, You have created the world in the beginning of time,
And through you for the laws of nature are fulfilled.
Through your love, was granted life to all creation.
Everything that exists came from thy thought.
And just as You are One with the creation,
We too are one with Thee.
From the depths of my being, You call my name,
But, Father-Mother God, I tremble in front of your light
For your brightness dazzles me.
No, There you are,
But you are everywhere.
I hear the song of birds;
I smell Your fragrance of the rose;
I'm Your taste in honey bees;
I feel your presence in the soft touch of raindrops
About my skin;
And I see the newly born child.
Father-Mother God, Source of Light, Life and Love,
Humbly I thank You for each new day,
And for every opportunity I have to reflect Thy Divine Beauty
In thought word and deed.
Guide me in the service and action well,
And help me to live my life for Thy glory,
And for the benefit of mankind.

So be it!
"

:hump:
:peace:
 

Sparky4u

Active Member
Hippie sums it up well and of course Great Architect is amoung many names given to the source of our existence.
It doesnt matter what name we give anything, for we are whats temporary in the picture of life and so is that name we give it.
We spend endless days misnaming that which we dont/wont fully understand, or that doesnt cater to us directly; until it somehow does.

Save the whales, shoot the seals.
 

Woodstock.Hippie

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"
Say you want to be a rolling stone
Get your sail out in the wind
Get out on the highway and let 'er roll on
Roll on back to someplace you ain't never been
Hey, hey

When I was younger I was hard to hold
Seem like I was always goin'
Which ever way the wind would blow
Now that travelin' spirit calls me again

Callin' me back to where it all begins

Moon rise and sun go down
Turn my whole world around
Little star up in the sky
Tell my sweet baby please don't cry
Please don't cry

(SOLO)

Moon rise and sun go down
Turn my whole world around
Little star up in the sky
Tell my sweet baby please don't cry
Please don't cry

Travel out across the burnin' sand
Cross the ocean to some distant land
We'll reach the end we'll all be singin'
and we'll all be friends
Back where it all begins

Back where it all begins
"

:hump:
:peace:
 
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