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GH vs Cyco

Discussion in 'Hydroponics / Aeroponics' started by nxsov180db, May 17, 2017.

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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    The ingredients in Synthetic nutrients are all the same, They come from the same thing.
     
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    The_Dude

    The_Dude Well-Known Member

    No calcium needed correct? What am I going to do with this damn calmag? lol
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    Correct, no calmag. Just keep it around you never know when you'll need a little extra Calcium or if you goto another Nute brand you may need it..
     
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    The_Dude

    The_Dude Well-Known Member

    You didn't notice anything different between GH and Cyco? I realize that NPK is just that. I might as well go with the cheapest brand, if you do not notice a difference.
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    that's the secret.

    although a few additives are beneficial i think. Silica is one. most nutes don't have it.

    if you want cheap and easy, hard to beat GH maxibloom.
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    No difference, I do like the fact that I am only using 2 parts plus epsom as opposed to 3 parts plus epsom. The only time you would notice a difference between nute's would be if you weren't feeding them what they needed/wanted in the first place. Regarding lowest cost nutrients I haven't found anything cheaper than buying GH by the 6 gallon container on either Amazon or Ebay.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    silica isn't compatible / soluble when combined with other elements therefore cant be combined within the base nutes
     
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    jarvild

    jarvild Well-Known Member

    This is what I use from the Cyco line. Coir DTW.
    Veg
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    Flower
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    That's it, 400 ppms ( 0.8 ec) in veg, 450-500 ppms (1.0 ec). RO water
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    The_Dude

    The_Dude Well-Known Member

    If I have powdered 20 - 20 - 20 synthetic fert, that is water souble. Could I just use a 1/4 per recommended gallon to replicate the 5 - 5 - 5, from the Lucas mix?
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    I thought lucas was a 1-1-2 ratio?
     
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    The_Dude

    The_Dude Well-Known Member

    I read that it was 5 - 5 - 5, maybe I am mistaken. New to this, just saw you guys talking and took an interest.
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    100ppm N, 100ppm P, 200ppm K, 60ppm Mg
     
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    nxsov180db

    nxsov180db Well-Known Member

    Look into Jacks, he has a hydroponic special mix that is very popular (5-12-26) you use that along with CalciumNitrate and Epsom/Mag Sulfate
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member


    lucas formula isn't what I would suggest

    your 20-20-20 will work fine.....
    if your in soil its great

    dosing max
    veg 2.5 grams per gallon
    bloom 2.0 grams per gallon 20-20-20 pluss 0.5 grams per gallon potassium sulfate

    https://customhydronutrients.com/potassium-sulfate-c-1_46_33.html

    you may or may not also require Epsom salt for magnesium depending on how much is in the 20-20-20

    3 grams per gallon will be way to much so measure carefully

    I wouldnt plan to use a scooper, youll need to measure it with a scale that can measure micro grams to get it right unless you mix it in large amounts ..a small amount of powder makes a big difference 20-20-20 is hot hot hot and requires very very little
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    i'd like to get your opinion on an additive that i just recently started adding to my GH maxibloom. would you mind giving it a once-over and see what you think? you're one of the few on here that really knows their shit about nutes and cannabis.
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    sure man

    no problem whatcha got
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    so like i said GH maxibloom along with this. seems to me like it makes maxi very close to floranova with the added benefit of humic acid.

    using 0.5gram/gal which is lower end of recommended dose.

    http://bioag.com/images/TM7_Tech_LR.pdf
     
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    im4satori

    im4satori Well-Known Member

    I appreciate your kind words my friend

    but to be honest... if you had 1 book and my nutrient calculator and a couple weeks of reading and youd be just as smart as me...lol
    it s really not hard to learn, you just gotta know where to start

    anyway..
    about your micro nutrient

    I wouldn't use it in addition to the maxibloom as a regular thing

    humic acid is only useful in the medium if you run soil... fulvic acid can be useful in hydro but I think youd be better off just using fulvic acid alone if that's what your after

    you could also use amino acids during veg

    I get mine in dry powder...along with the kelp powder at kelp4less.com

    I have a product similar to yours, mine is called peters S.T.E.M. or micro mix
    I use it on a rare occasion as a foliar feed or if I want to boost the micros

    your product is very strong
    to give you something to compare

    0.25 grams of your stuff would be all that your plant requires in total which will be roughly what your maxibloom has which is already enough

    if you add 0.25 grams you've doubled whats in the maxbloom

    if you off 0.5 grams you've tripled it

    and the maxibloom already has enough on its own
     
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    rkymtnman

    rkymtnman Well-Known Member

    i just started dr clarke mj botany. any others that you'd recommend?

    and here's what led me to my thinking:
    from the label on maxi, it doesn't have boron, cobalt, molybdenum, copper, manganes and zinc (floranova has all of them)
    it does have sulfur and iron. that tm7 has 2% sulfur (4% total with maxi) and iron 1.2% (1.3% with maxi)

    it has 40% humic, 15% fulvic.

    and from what i've read ( i think from dr harley NPK nutes guy), humic is for RO water, fulvic is for well/tap when running hydro. i usually use 2/3 RO, 1/3 well. sometimes all RO.

    where did i go wrong in my thinking? and thanks again for the help/advice!!
     
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    OneHitDone

    OneHitDone Well-Known Member

    The simple answer is excesses of micro nutrients
    Why not just run FloraNova if that is what your going for. It is probably cheaper than MaxiBloom when purchased on eBay etc.
     
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