Greenleaf Medicinal product recall

leaffan said:

I wish you good luck in your endeavours.
I am fairly well versed in most aspects of the MMPR, and I believe you face a huge challenge in obtaining a HC licence. There are so many reasons I say this. Too many to list.
I believe you have good intentions, although perhaps a little naive.
If I can offer some advice, don't quit your day job. Don't mortgage your house. Don't deplete your savings. If you have done the adequate research, and have a great team put together, and are resigned to pursuing this quest, then carve out the appropriate equity amount for an investor. Let the investor at least take away the burden of financing to allow you to focus on the task at hand.
Again, good luck.
leaf

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Hey Leaffan, thanks for the reply! I've been reading through all these threads since I found them yesterday and have seen all your great posts.....can't thank you and the other great people I've already met for sharing all of this information. To clarify my position, although just wading into the application process now, I wouldn't exactly say that I am naive. My partner and I have been researching, planning, budgeting and doing our homework for some time now, and I'm very well aware of all the obstacles that we face.....even more so after reading the wealth of info in these threads. We have a sound business plan, and a location that is extremely affordable and will offer us very low overhead while meeting our technical needs. My life-long friend and partner in this venture is a successful senior manager of another unrelated company that he is a co-owner of. He's a very smart guy with business know-how and will also be the major source of financing....he is the key to this, and I wouldn't be able to do it without him. I'm the person with the growing knowledge and QA qualifications (which will hopefully meet HC's standards) and he is the business/money guy. His other company has has many dealings and contracts with various levels and branches of government, so we are hoping that will help us gain credibility with HC as well as with the local municipality.

I am definitely not selling my house or quitting my day job at this point, that's for sure. I have a unique position where my current job allows me a lot of time off to work on this endeavour, which is something I'm 100% committed to......I'm well aware of the serious battle ahead of me, and the will that this is going to take, but I'm prepared to do whatever it takes to follow this passion and dream of mine.

Thanks again for the reply, advice and the well wishes, I look forward to being an active on the forums and sharing info and my experiences with the application process as we navigate the HC minefield

I'm still pre-application, after over a year of full time work. Still require primary investor before moving ahead, preferably working partner, in the Okanagan Valley of BC.

Not in a hurry though, currently developing and testing SOP's etc. Getting ducks in a row, one at a time

It was incorrect of me to suggest that you are perhaps naive. There was no ill will behind the comment.
There are two things that I have learned over the last 12 odd months that you might not have considered or be aware of;
Early last year when I was consulting with a very knowledgable lawyer who charges $400/hr (gag) I started to view things differently. He was steering the conversation away from the legal issues and directing my thoughts more into the political arena. He said he thought it was more important to have a good lobbyist than a good lawyer. He suggested that I think of what the government wants to see from an applicant. I can't stress enough how valuable this advice has been. It is so easy to fool ourselves, especially when we are very capable.

What does the government want to see in an applicant?

I think a good lawyer and having both municipal and federal political contacts or influence is critical.
Look at who has been licensed and why.
Look at Peace Natural. There is a good reason they got their licence so early in the game. The reason is Alan Young.

Take care,
leaf

leaffan said:

It was incorrect of me to suggest that you are perhaps naive. There was no ill will behind the comment.
There are two things that I have learned over the last 12 odd months that you might not have considered or be aware of;
Early last year when I was consulting with a very knowledgable lawyer who charges $400/hr (gag) I started to view things differently. He was steering the conversation away from the legal issues and directing my thoughts more into the political arena. He said he thought it was more important to have a good lobbyist than a good lawyer. He suggested that I think of what the government wants to see from an applicant. I can't stress enough how valuable this advice has been. It is so easy to fool ourselves, especially when we are very capable.

What does the government want to see in an applicant?

I think a good lawyer and having both municipal and federal political contacts or influence is critical.
Look at who has been licensed and why.
Look at Peace Natural. There is a good reason they got their licence so early in the game. The reason is Alan Young.

Take care,
leaf

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Hey Leaf, no offence taken, no worries at all my friend

Through my business partner, I believe and hope that we may have the contacts we need in various levels and forms of government.....his company has been contracted out by the government for many different projects, most recently for the disaster relief projects as a result of all the flooding in southern Alberta last summer....through these projects, he has even had indirect dealings with HC. He is a reputable and respected businessman that has done a lot of work in the community we are hoping to locate in, so we are hoping that we can get the local municipality on our side.

We've talked about a lawyer, and will definitely be retaining one eventually, although we are keeping costs as low as possible in the initial stages and don't want to turn to a lawyer unless absolutely necessary. I had not considered the lobbyist route, but that is definitely something to consider. At this stage we are hoping to rely on our own resources and brainpower before spending any big bucks on outside help, but these are all things to consider should they be necessary in the long haul. Again, I really appreciate your input, and will likely have a question or two in the future if you don't mind me shooting you the odd PM.

Leaf, what did you use the lawyer for brother?

leaffan said:

Look at who has been licensed and why.
Look at Peace Natural. There is a good reason they got their licence so early in the game. The reason is Alan Young.

Take care,
leaf

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I could name a few more licenced lp's here as well

Agracan said:

I could name a few more licenced lp's here as well

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Hey Agracan, did you use a lawyer and/or lobbyist to get your application through?

No, I'm too stingy for that. The thing is I've dealt with this sort of beaurocracy in the past. (Other regulated industries) I guess I'm masochistic that way lol.

Agracan said:

No, I'm too stingy for that. The thing is I've dealt with this sort of beaurocracy in the past. (Other regulated industries) I guess I'm masochistic that way lol.

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Great to hear!!!!!.....we are definitely the stingy sort too, haha. We have access to money, but would prefer to reserve as much of it as possible for the the absolute essentials. Both my partner and I also have experience dealing with tightly controlled regulating agencies and government bureaucracy in our other lines of work, so I figure we play to our strengths and try to do it on our own. All I need to know is that someone else was able to reach the finish line on their own and that it is indeed possible without outside (and expensive) help. I'm gonna toast a bowl to that!

I should leave this thread for further discussion of the Greenleaf recall and associated topics, I'll see you guys and gals around the LP/LP Wannabe threads.......thanks again to everyone for all the fantastic information that I will try to pay back in kind as I start to navigate though the application process. For all of the patients affected by the whole Greenleaf recall, I am terribly sorry to hear about what happened, and hope that everything gets resolved for you as quickly as possible.

Agracan said:

Leaf, what did you use the lawyer for brother?

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The regular business lawyer, besides the regular incorporated duties was used for;
Non disclosure and confidentiality agreements used when having meeting with potential investors ( usually not worth the paper they are written on ).
Education on the involvement of transitioning from a private company to a public company.
Contracts.

Consulted a few top marijuana lawyers in Toronto, used for;
Their knowledge and perspective on the MMPR and Health Canada. I'm sorry I can't go into too many details here, other than what I have already shared. I will say it was money well spent.

Cool, It always does help to get a different perspective especially from the legal profession.

the link http://www.greenleafmedicinals.ca redirects to a new producer website http://www.brokencoast.ca

Maybe they changed their name not to be confused with Green Leaf Medical Clinic since GLMC has an application for an MMPR license. That makes the most sense.

Maybe they changed their name to distance themselves from their recent uh...issues.
I offered them a fantastic registered name and domain because I thought their name was confusing, was told they weren't going to change due to the costs involved.
I guess they like brokencoast better.

Really I think it was to avoid two green leaf LPs. I had to ask the other one if they were connected it is that confusing.
How much you selling your name for leaf?