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chiqifella

chiqifella

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Dr. Who said:
NO, I expect it!



Dude! You forget that they (seed breeder) has different environmental conditions then you. That won't explain all 3 weeks of difference but, does come into play. More then you think.
Secondly, your definition of "finished" is most likely different then the breeder.

It is COMMON that plants run 2 weeks longer then breeder reports line out. Many (breeders) tend to hydro and if you use soil....That can be a big part of the difference!

The breeder is only giving his run time for HIS conditions, his feed, and his method of grow..... 3 weeks of difference is your result from your conditions, feed and method.

They did NOT lie or list false run times. You want something, basically impossible to give!

An EXACT bloom time for your growing details........lighten up Francis!
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nah, didnt forget any of that, I actually mentioned it in posts leading up to this one. I agree with you too.

I have no complaints of breeder suggested finish times at all.
Never had to wait weeks past a breeder suggestion, maybe room, breeder conditions, genetics...still.
but notice many in this forum suggest it to growers at their "dates"(2 more weeks, its like a mantra here)
I have no issue discerning a finished plant from others.
i harvest right before they amber, the ones I've come to love and know hundreds of times over.
I know your finished plant may not be my finished plant.
I 've seen yours and they look great.
I also know that even with these misprints/ads.....nobody here has complained of any three extra weeks to finish, only dates that didnt match as far as I'm aware.

This breeder in question has provided me with finish date times. I've found watching those plants mature that when finished, date on tag is checked, they finished in that period. not sure why its misprinted, doubt its deception though. false advertising is bad shade was my piont
 
HydroRed

HydroRed

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Chunky Stool said:
Do you guys do the final repot before or after the flip? I always did it before the flip when running clones or fem seeds, but now that I'm running regulars I'd rather not repot males that will be discarded after showing gender.
It is my understanding that stress can cause the herm tendency to express itself early, which could be a disaster if not caught early. :o
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I do repot after sexing. I usually run fems so I dont have room in my flood tables to run full setup for males and females so no point in wasting time/energy/materials on males if they arent being kept. I have a tray of solo cups now that are under 12/12 atm. Only give em the necessary stuff to live and show sex. Then doll em out when you find the girls lol
 
Spondylo Grow

Spondylo Grow

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Chunky Stool said:
Do you guys do the final repot before or after the flip? I always did it before the flip when running clones or fem seeds, but now that I'm running regulars I'd rather not repot males that will be discarded after showing gender.
It is my understanding that stress can cause the herm tendency to express itself early, which could be a disaster if not caught early. :o
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While running regular seeds from start, I've been starting with 10, like @Humanrob in a 3x3. I will veg (in 1 or 2 gallon) until they show sex, which I have seen definitively by around day 30-35. Then uppot the females, and just flip those. This last run, I had 9 of 10 germ, 4 of 9 were female. The four females I put into 5 gallon pots (soil) and flipped a week later. Longer veg, but my tent is quite full and I will be happily harvesting it very soon. Supercropping, topping and lst all the while, kept things manageable and out of the light. Hope this helps.
 
Humanrob

Humanrob

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rikdabrick said:
They're all F1's, but from everyone's descriptions Gu~s Stardawg male does a good job letting the females shine through while adding desirable traits.

And Gu~ said there's nothing wrong with the seeds, he's just tired of looking at them.
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I've heard from long time breeders that this has become more and more common, where strains are not bred anywhere near IBL they are just first gen crosses that are let out to the market. It looks like that might be the new normal. I guess that's OK, if people don't mind getting a broad description of possible outcomes and they all sound good, so they are fine rolling the dice and taking whatever comes. I know all strains will have some pheno variation, but some are pretty narrow, and others are all over the map.

I've only personally done small batches of breeding, and even in my limited trials I've found that two parents can produce unexpected traits, and no matter how good the parents are there is no guarantee the kids will be good. Believe it or not I'm not trying to knock GPS, I'm just trying to keep up with trends and what's out there.
 
Humanrob

Humanrob

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Spondylo Grow said:
I will veg (in 1 or 2 gallon) until they show sex, which I have seen definitively by around day 30-35. Then uppot the females, and just flip those.
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This is the next thing I need to learn. At first I grew mostly from clones so it wasn't an issue, and I've only been growing (indoors) from seeds for a few grows and they've mostly been 12/12 from seed. I'll be vegging longer on this run so maybe I'll get a chance to pre-sex them before flower.
 
Heisengrow

Heisengrow

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Humanrob said:
I've heard from long time breeders that this has become more and more common, where strains are not bred anywhere near IBL they are just first gen crosses that are let out to the market. It looks like that might be the new normal. I guess that's OK, if people don't mind getting a broad description of possible outcomes and they all sound good, so they are fine rolling the dice and taking whatever comes. I know all strains will have some pheno variation, but some are pretty narrow, and others are all over the map.

I've only personally done small batches of breeding, and even in my limited trials I've found that two parents can produce unexpected traits, and no matter how good the parents are there is no guarantee the kids will be good. Believe it or not I'm not trying to knock GPS, I'm just trying to keep up with trends and what's out there.
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I'll take F1's or back crossed f2's of 2 good parents before a worked IBL.trying to stabilize a strain takes several generations.think of it as a new deck of cards shuffled once.and than trying to shuffle the deck back to order.it takes alot of space and skill to create a stable line.i think that type of breeding is better for plants you can't clone like autos.but when u get a pack of good f1's all it takes is one good female to keep.the need to grow from seeds alone is kinda out the window unless you just like growing all different plants every run.I think breeders put more of there stock in good males to x to clone only fire strains and sell the f1's.
 
psychadelibud

psychadelibud

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@Chunky Stool here is the only pic I have of my Zamaldelica. I got the Thai leaning pheno confirmed by Dubi (ace seeds breeder).

In that little 2 gallon pot she ended up giving me a little over 5 ounces. Keep nitrogen low during mid flower on but keep giving her enough to sustain her life cycle for the next 14 plus weeks.

My plant was extremely stretchy, all Zamaldelica that I have ran has been very stretchy. But the nodes stacked up on her and I WISH I had harvest pictures but I don't. These photos come from an old journal of mine on IC that I never finished is why I still have access to them anyway.

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What week of flower or day is yours in? It is hard to accept in the beginning but these plants flower painfully slow. You will get rewarded in the end though, no matter which pheno you get I believe I have had them all and they always turn out potent. You can see the bud formation crawling from the bottom of the mainstem to the top of every branch you see, had solid colas from bottom to top about as big around as a two liter bottle.
 
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Gu~

Gu~

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The chem hybrids can go on forever as some of you may know.
Some of the sativa leaning hybrids can go long but the majority of the Wild West Series will finish between 9 and 10 weeks.
There are some outliers of course. If there is a question, the website will always have the most up to date and accurate information, but at times can be wrong as well.
I appreciate all the heads up, it only makes me stronger to be able to listen to criticism and react accordingly.

To be honest, and I now see this was a mistake, I used the listed flowering times as more of a guide for inexperienced growers as I usually harvest plants when I "believe" they are done.
Not once did I consider that some very experienced growers were not selecting based on lineage but selecting on flowering length instead. I will make the necessary changes to be more accurate in my predictions.

Thanks,

p.s. back in the office!
 
MrMayhem1134

MrMayhem1134

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Maybe the whole dates not matching fiasco is why he got a new web team? Maybe they were not updating and maintaining the site the way GU wanted, even when he may have been aware of these issues but had no access to fix them himself? I would let GU explain himself as this could be a simple explanation. Emailing him and waiting for a response when he said he is on Vaca, but still posting and tagging him on this forum, is a little different then emailing him and waiting for a decisive answer. And IMO counting from flip helps to set a more accurate date for when the buds will finish then when flowers show, as someone said two different strains may show flowers at different times but won't start actually producing and stacking bud sites. Flipping to flower is more to initiate the buds to form after you have found your females IMO. It can be used in some cases to find the sex as some strains may not show sex until the light switches, but is not the main concern as some will show before flipping. Not fighting just stating my opinion and observation as to maybe have a healthy conversation on the topics. :bigjoint:bongsmilie
 
psychadelibud

psychadelibud

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Gu~ said:
The chem hybrids can go on forever as some of you may know.
Some of the sativa leaning hybrids can go long but the majority of the Wild West Series will finish between 9 and 10 weeks.
There are some outliers of course. If there is a question, the website will always have the most up to date and accurate information, but at times can be wrong as well.
I appreciate all the heads up, it only makes me stronger to be able to listen to criticism and react accordingly.

To be honest, and I now see this was a mistake, I used the listed flowering times as more of a guide for inexperienced growers as I usually harvest plants when I "believe" they are done.
Not once did I consider that some very experienced growers were not selecting based on lineage but selecting on flowering length instead. I will make the necessary changes to be more accurate in my predictions.

Thanks,

p.s. back in the office!
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I believe a lot of people will be happy that you have confirmed this for them. I personally know stardawg enough to know that she usually always runs 70 plus days. I wasn't expecting any fast finishers myself. Hope you enjoyed your trip brother, I have not been skiing in over 8 years.
 
psychadelibud

psychadelibud

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Gu~ said:
I was banned from IC by a Mod that was friendly to TDS.
This was after I confronted accusations by $Mike in a Greenpoint Seeds thread.
Those posts have since been deleted by mods
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Yeah its easily done over there. I have come close a couple of times, like I said they have their favorites and if any new comers come around and step out of line the least little bit, they send you on your way.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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psychadelibud said:
Yeah its easily done over there. I have come close a couple of times, like I said they have their favorites and if any new comers come around and step out of line the least little bit, they send you on your way.
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That's fucked up.
Why even give them your patronage?
I got banned from GrassShitty years ago and never looked back. WAY too strict.
You actually have to TRY to get banned from RIU (unless you're a racist & Bucky flushes you out).
 
psychadelibud

psychadelibud

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Well on my behalf I have good friends there. Most of the guys I associate with don't associate with the assholes. On the outdoor forums there, imo is the place to be. You get over in the breeders section and the indoor section you have to watch yourself a little more.

My current clones I have and that I am running (GG4, Chem91 skva, 413 Chem, Headbanger #5 and the Corey cut of stardawg) all came from a member there. He did not charge me a thing and the gift was based on friendship. My only other option if it weren't for him landing them here for me would have been to drive a long ways and take a risk. Not that I haven't done it before, but that saved me some headache. And the Chem 91 I didn't even request when he gave me my options, he just threw it in there. I had 20 cuts of each of those strains, just cuttings no roots. The chem 91 was the only one that he sent rooted in rockwool and he only sent me one.

The longer you are around there the more slack you will get imo. I see people get banned often there but in my experience I have been warned twice in my 6 years of being a member which isn't bad, but it was over some very petty things.. Such as mentioning the name Sannie and taking up for Gu~ and myself when I got attacked on the TDS i95 thread.

Gypsy Nirvana gave me the last warning, less than two weeks ago.

So from this point forward I'm not gonna get into anymore debates there and I'm through with debating here as well unless its for a real good reason.
 
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