GroErr Grows...

Pig4buzz

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Day 33 and Day 26 last night. Zoom on the 6x 3gal's and Panama's under the Citi's. Nice stacking going on all around, really liking the look of the Panama back-right, strong lemon smell coming off it now. Couldn't get a thumbnail to post the full pic of the Panama's, not sure if it's the site but it's happening more and more lately...

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Cheers :bigjoint:
Do I see cobs hanging? Lol! Sweet!
 

GroErr

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Continuing on the long term breeding project of some old school genetics. I have 7x Skunk #1 which will get up-potted out of party cups by next weekend and will likely SOG those along with 3x Fireballs next round (hoping to end up with ~6 females out of the bunch , they're regs). Also picked up some more indicas on a 420 promo at Dr. Chronic. 10x Original Afghan (Bulldog Seeds) went into germination yesterday :)

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

Mr.Head

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Continuing on the long term breeding project of some old school genetics. I have 7x Skunk #1 which will get up-potted out of party cups by next weekend and will likely SOG those along with 3x Fireballs next round (hoping to end up with ~6 females out of the bunch , they're regs). Also picked up some more indicas on a 420 promo at Dr. Chronic. 10x Original Afghan (Bulldog Seeds) went into germination yesterday :)

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Cheers :bigjoint:
So Dr.Chronic is legit eh? he has Lee Roy beans and he's one of the only spots, and they are cheaper than everywhere else maybe I'll scoop em.
 

GroErr

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So Dr.Chronic is legit eh? he has Lee Roy beans and he's one of the only spots, and they are cheaper than everywhere else maybe I'll scoop em.
Yeah they have sone decent stuff around, more regs than many banks. This was my 3rd order and with stealth shipping have never had a problem, all received within 1 week from date of order. You can choose (which I always do) to ship with original breeder packs. Cheers.
 

GroErr

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Day 37 for the 6x 3 gal, Day 30 for the 2x 5 gal Panama's. Now also Day 24 for the Panama P5 back-left along the wall. It was in the tent with the male, very pregnant. Up-potted it from the 1 gal to 3 gal so I don't have to water it every day. Small buds, huge difference in development under the blurples. But it will have 8+ weeks to catch up under the COBs :)

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Cheers :bigjoint:
 

Green_Elf

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Hi again!
Thank you @GroErr and @ttystikk for your reply about the CMH.
I've come to realize that the European based companies or just don't mentioned the square wave or they are running a different tech. For example I doubt that the dimlux, that is one of the top brands, would release a 315w that would not be efficient( and they don't mentioned low frequency or square wave anywhere). Other brands (cheaper brands) they even admit to use the philips ballast in they fixture.
Anyway, after reading all this thread, I notice that you are not even using CMH anymore so I'll not be bothering you anymore with this subject. Or maybe I will... ;)
Do you consider that you might go "back" and complement the COB with CMH? Do you think it could add/bring something new(beside the heat)? Lol


PS- Your Blupper Dream looks crispy and amazing. ;)
For sure is good smoke. :bigjoint:

Blue Ripper x Blue Dream F1/P1, Day 35:

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ttystikk

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Hi again!
Thank you @GroErr and @ttystikk for your reply about the CMH.
I've come to realize that the European based companies or just don't mentioned the square wave or they are running a different tech. For example I doubt that the dimlux, that is one of the top brands, would release a 315w that would not be efficient( and they don't mentioned low frequency or square wave anywhere). Other brands (cheaper brands) they even admit to use the philips ballast in they fixture.
Anyway, after reading all this thread, I notice that you are not even using CMH anymore so I'll not be bothering you anymore with this subject. Or maybe I will... ;)
Do you consider that you might go "back" and complement the COB with CMH? Do you think it could add/bring something new(beside the heat)? Lol


PS- Your Blupper Dream looks crispy and amazing. ;)
For sure is good smoke. :bigjoint:
I'm not going back.
 

GroErr

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What are those pink light bars? UV?
Hey Mo, see you were catching up, thanks for the 100 likes or so - lol

It's 660nm to "wake" them faster at the beginning of the cycle, they show up pink for some reason when lights are on. The old Mars reflector panel I was using for this purpose finally died on me (have been so busy I haven't even taken it down, it will likely get "COBbed" at some point).

Similar idea to the 730nm at the end of the cycle to trigger Pr/Pfr faster. The 660 is supposed to do the opposite at the beginning of the cycle.

I've been running them for a couple of hours starting 10 minutes before the lights come on, 10 minutes before lights on is all that's needed.
 

Heil Tweetler

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Hey Mo, see you were catching up, thanks for the 100 likes or so - lol

It's 660nm to "wake" them faster at the beginning of the cycle, they show up pink for some reason when lights are on. The old Mars reflector panel I was using for this purpose finally died on me (have been so busy I haven't even taken it down, it will likely get "COBbed" at some point).

Similar idea to the 730nm at the end of the cycle to trigger Pr/Pfr faster. The 660 is supposed to do the opposite at the beginning of the cycle.

I've been running them for a couple of hours starting 10 minutes before the lights come on, 10 minutes before lights on is all that's needed.
Your plants look great man.

I was curious about your usage of the 660nm. Maybe you read some of the debate over in the far red thread about adding 660 mono or lil 660nm cobs to a 3500k or 4k cob rig. Seems like the jury is out on the merits of additional 660. But, in contrast to your wake up idea, the theory over there is emerson effect driven; consequently they run the 660 for the duration. Just wondered if you have any thoughts on that.
 

GroErr

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Your plants look great man.

I was curious about your usage of the 660nm. Maybe you read some of the debate over in the far red thread about adding 660 mono or lil 660nm cobs to a 3500k or 4k cob rig. Seems like the jury is out on the merits of additional 660. But, in contrast to your wake up idea, the theory over there is emerson effect driven; consequently they run the 660 for the duration. Just wondered if you have any thoughts on that.
Hey thanks. I've been using the 660's and 730's for the Fr/Pfr factors, it's supposed to essentially make the transition from dark to light and light to dark faster by a couple of hours. In theory that should reduce the time to finish and yield by essentially "extending" each period by gaining a couple of hours on each end. Not so sure it makes a big difference or at least I would say there are other factors which would affect finish times more than just the 660/730 Pr/Pfr triggers. This round I've left the 660nm's for the first 2 hours. Not running enough wattage (35w) to make much difference other than maybe the plant straight in front of it, keeping an eye on that one to see if there's any significant differences. I have a small Blue Harley directly in from of the 660nm bars, and another Blue Harley front-right which won't be getting any direct 660nm light to compare the two.

I think there may be something to the discussion going on in that far red thread. If LED's could reproduce the spectrum curve that the 315w Philips CMH bulbs produce it would create an interesting light which is essentially the conversation going on over there. The 315w Philips consistently finished whatever strains I was running faster but the COBs are producing better terps/quality. The 315w's are producing that spectrum throughout the cycle so running the 660's and enough wattage throughout the cycle in a COB environment could have some merit. Combining quality I'm getting from the COBs and quick finish times from the CMH would be nice :)
 

ttystikk

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Hey thanks. I've been using the 660's and 730's for the Fr/Pfr factors, it's supposed to essentially make the transition from dark to light and light to dark faster by a couple of hours. In theory that should reduce the time to finish and yield by essentially "extending" each period by gaining a couple of hours on each end. Not so sure it makes a big difference or at least I would say there are other factors which would affect finish times more than just the 660/730 Pr/Pfr triggers. This round I've left the 660nm's for the first 2 hours. Not running enough wattage (35w) to make much difference other than maybe the plant straight in front of it, keeping an eye on that one to see if there's any significant differences. I have a small Blue Harley directly in from of the 660nm bars, and another Blue Harley front-right which won't be getting any direct 660nm light to compare the two.

I think there may be something to the discussion going on in that far red thread. If LED's could reproduce the spectrum curve that the 315w Philips CMH bulbs produce it would create an interesting light which is essentially the conversation going on over there. The 315w Philips consistently finished whatever strains I was running faster but the COBs are producing better terps/quality. The 315w's are producing that spectrum throughout the cycle so running the 660's and enough wattage throughout the cycle in a COB environment could have some merit. Combining quality I'm getting from the COBs and quick finish times from the CMH would be nice :)
I've found that warming the room up a few degrees helps speed up finish times under COB LED.
 

GroErr

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I've found that warming the room up a few degrees helps speed up finish times under COB LED.
Temps, RH, w/sq./ft., spectrum, height from canopy, length of cycle, all factors that can affect the results and finish. I try and keep under 82F and running more like 80F right now. I find if I go beyond 82 plants start to suffer and look like shit which can't be good for yields... or bud porn :) There has to be a balance between all those factors, finding it is the fun part :)
 
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