healthy seeds and questions on lights

scooby doo

Active Member
hi rollitup.. ive been trying to look threw out the forum for these questions, im thinking of trying an indoor crop only small one, one or two plants proberly just the one..

First question is, What are healthy seed mean't to look like, ive got these bag seeds of a mate and there a really dark colour they look burned..

second question is,do you think this ( eBay.co.uk: COMPLETE HYDROPONIC GROW KIT FOR ANY GROW ROOM OR TENT (item 250072820567 end time 17-Jan-07 13:53:03 GMT) )
would be ideal for my first stage of growing,

and then this
( eBay.co.uk: 400w HPS Grow Light ***Complete***Hydroponics (item 320070870780 end time 18-Jan-07 19:58:36 GMT) ) for the following stage of growing.

what size grow room would be good for this size setup any help i would be greatfull for thanks
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
Introduction:
Growers face the decision to start a grow from either seeds or rooted clones. The decision is not obvious, as both growing options have their respective advantages and disadvantages. Growers may have to weigh growing space, crop risk and turn around time.

Clones

Advantages:
>Clones are much faster to veg up and flower than starting from seed, resulting in a quick harvest and a much shorter turnaround time.

>Clones can be quickly grown into moms and re-cloned, for an instant vegetative and flowering crop

>Clones are genetically identical, but some differences will still be evident in the phenotype. In general, clones will exhibit even growth and growing characteristics.

>Rooted clones can be flowered immediately if space or time is a problem.

>Clones can quickly provide the grower with a strain’s characteristics (smell, vigor, branching pattern, sativa/indica dominance, rooting quality, etc).

Disadvantages:
>Clones can be difficult to find, as opposed to available seed banks. Clones from unknown sources are of suspect quality and genetics.

>Growers run a high risk of inheriting problems from the last grower: Root rot, spider mites, powdery mildew, etc. If these problems are not identified and treated, they can quickly spread to an entire crop.

>Unhealthy clones may die or remain in shock for an extended period

>Shipped clones may be in shock and take weeks of TLC to recover. There are many stories of medical clones shipped without any protection and arrived flat!

>Clones are more light-sensitive than seeds. Clones take time to become established, and are easily burned by excessive light (and nutrients)

>As clones are almost always female, breeding options are limited. Hermies are possible with unstable clone crosses.

Seeds:

Advantages

>Seeds obtained from reputable seed banks are of known lineage and genetics. You should have a reasonable idea of what the strain will do in terms of yield, quality and flowering time.

>Breeding and crossing options are possible with male seeds. (Feminized seeds produce a higher % of female seeds, but 100% female is never guaranteed).

>Hybrid vigor. Females grown from seed are often higher yielding than clones. Strains can lose their vigor over time; growers may want to 'rejuvinate' their grow with the same successful strain

>Your seeds should produce healthy plants, free of disease and pests.

Disadvantages:

>Cost. Seeds can be expensive, not only per seed pack, but in the time they take to produce a flowered crop.

>Problems with ripoffs, shipping/customs seizing seed bank deliveries, switched seeds.

>Unstable hybrid strains (See faqs on strain breeding )

>Not all seeds will be viable (germinate) and only 50% of the unfeminized seeds will be female (feminized seeds may produce up to 90% females). Only female seeds will produce female mothers, from which productive clones can be taken and flowered.

>It may take many seed packs to discover an excellent mother.

>Seeds take a long time (and there is more labor, money and time involved) before a harvest can occur.

The seeds need to be:
-germinated
-grown into mothers
-clones taken from each mother, labeled, then sexed to tell which mother is female or male
-the best mothers are selected (males may be optionally discarded).

-mothers are mass cloned
-clones are vegetatively grown and then flowered
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
Try to germinate the seeds and see what happens.

If you can get the grow kit for cheap go for it.

What size of an area do you have to work with? What are your limitations?
 

scooby doo

Active Member
Try to germinate the seeds and see what happens.

If you can get the grow kit for cheap go for it.

What size of an area do you have to work with? What are your limitations?
thanks for all the advise in the first reply very much needed indeed lol


your second reply is the bit im stuck on at the mo.. i dont know what size grow room i will need for the lights im buying,, im going with 250w to start then going over to 400w for veg and flowewring, am i correct in saying this. would a 1 meter x 1 meter grow room to big or to small im only going to do one plant at a time i dont want to run befor i can walk... i really dont know arrrrrrrr help
 

mogie

Well-Known Member
Your indoor grow space needs to meet some general needs and a series of further needs depending on individual factors such as stealth.


Your first considerations should of course be to how much space do I need to grow the amount of marijuana I need for personal consumption?


Once you have decided that, initial thinking should be into security and the safety of those around you, anyone who shares the grow space with should be aware of what you are doing and equally aware of the feasible risks.


You should consider the power supply to your grow space. A single standard wall socket should not have multi-plug after multi-plug attached. Be safe and check that your circuit is adequate for your needs and you have enough convenient outlets.


Be sure when locating power in a grow space that they are safe from any possible leakages, water and grow rooms go hand in hand. Water and electricity, well, not such a good mix.


Ventilation is a big issue that many people overlook when they start to grow. HID lamps produce a lot of heat and will need a lot of air movement to keep them cool.


Putting a 400w in a wardrobe will need more than a desk/pc fan or two. You will need to consider where from/how you will bring cool/fresh air into the grow space and also how/where you will exhaust hot/used air to.
These intakes and exhausts also lead to the issue of noise, fans themselves make a degree of noise when working (though inline fans are getting quieter and quieter) and exhaust and inlet points will also make a noise of rushing air.


You will also need to think about light escaping from your grow space at these points as well as light getting IN to your grow space from these point if you are running a virtual dark period when it is light outside (lights on at night keeps heat and bills down).


The exhaust also brings in the issue of odour. Good odour control on your exhaust will be invaluable to most growers. Carbon filters are generally the most efficient way to remove odour from an exhaust but ozone generators are another common method, though there are cheaper more DIY methods.


Further issues include access for watering and tinkering, surface covering reflectivity and access to consumables (in particular water).


After you think about all of this then you will have more of an idea about the size of your grow area.
 

scooby doo

Active Member
Your indoor grow space needs to meet some general needs and a series of further needs depending on individual factors such as stealth.


Your first considerations should of course be to how much space do I need to grow the amount of marijuana I need for personal consumption?


Once you have decided that, initial thinking should be into security and the safety of those around you, anyone who shares the grow space with should be aware of what you are doing and equally aware of the feasible risks.


You should consider the power supply to your grow space. A single standard wall socket should not have multi-plug after multi-plug attached. Be safe and check that your circuit is adequate for your needs and you have enough convenient outlets.


Be sure when locating power in a grow space that they are safe from any possible leakages, water and grow rooms go hand in hand. Water and electricity, well, not such a good mix.


Ventilation is a big issue that many people overlook when they start to grow. HID lamps produce a lot of heat and will need a lot of air movement to keep them cool.


Putting a 400w in a wardrobe will need more than a desk/pc fan or two. You will need to consider where from/how you will bring cool/fresh air into the grow space and also how/where you will exhaust hot/used air to.
These intakes and exhausts also lead to the issue of noise, fans themselves make a degree of noise when working (though inline fans are getting quieter and quieter) and exhaust and inlet points will also make a noise of rushing air.


You will also need to think about light escaping from your grow space at these points as well as light getting IN to your grow space from these point if you are running a virtual dark period when it is light outside (lights on at night keeps heat and bills down).


The exhaust also brings in the issue of odour. Good odour control on your exhaust will be invaluable to most growers. Carbon filters are generally the most efficient way to remove odour from an exhaust but ozone generators are another common method, though there are cheaper more DIY methods.


Further issues include access for watering and tinkering, surface covering reflectivity and access to consumables (in particular water).


After you think about all of this then you will have more of an idea about the size of your grow area.
thanks for that mogie.. much appreciated man bigup
 
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