Hello, need some help please.

im4satori

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I think you might have a few things going on

one obvious thing to start is that pot looks small for the size of the plant

we need to know some info

is that potting soil? did you buy it from a bag?
are you adding fertilizers and if so what kind and how much/how often

if using liquid nutes are you checking ph? and or EC/ppm?
I believe you might be over fertilizing but we need to confirm that with some info

how often are you watering/fertilizing and how much in volume

the quickest and easiest and best thing you can do to start is re-pot them into larger pots with some quality soil

and not feed any nutes (just water) until we get you sorted out
 

mk3coupe

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Okay, I am sorry that I didn't include more info. I know better than that. so info is the following,
plant is in Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil, mixed in with perlite. I was using Jacks Classic as a fert, but found better fert and am using that. It is Jungle Juice Grow and Jungle Juice Micro. my water ph without anything in it is 6.9-7.1, once I put the notes in it drops to 5.2. I am ph up to get it to 6.5, problem is that it tries to separate in the milk jugs? Don't know why. my tents were at high humidity for about a week I think. the new pic shows a bunch of shit. All my plants new growth looks like that. I am thinking that I had almost 99% humidity and that caused the ugly looking growth? light schedule was 18-6. now it is back to 24 hour. I have a A/C unit in there now also.
I have never had this many problems. It is killing me. I grow in tents to do a perpetual harvest every month and this throws everything out the door. The flower tent was going great and now all of a sudden the same rust color is going with a few of the leaves. Thank you for any help.
 

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OldMedUser

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Once you add those nutes to your water DO NOT use pH up! Those are pH Perfect nutes and will work best if left alone. You are screwing up their built in buffers and that's likely why it's separating in the jugs. I use RO water only as well so I know that it's not crappy tap water screwing things up if something is going wrong with the plants which is very rare and usually bug related.

I've been using AN nutes for 16 years and the pH Perfect stuff for the last 3 or 4 years. I never even use my pH pen whether growing in soil or DWC and never have pH problems. So much easier than the older stuff tho it worked great too. I was using Sensi Grow for veg and the Connoisseur Bloom 2 part stuff but found I was having too much of a problem with nute burn in later flowering from all the N in it. I now use the 3 - part ones so I can control how much N they get and the problem is no more. Still using the Sensi and the Connie in veg and early flower but once the stretch is over I only use the Micro and Bloom from the 3 - part like the Lucas formula. 1ml Micro for every 2mls Bloom. I also use Big Bud and the Rhino Skin from AN but any old CalMag will do as I use very little of that and it has N as well.

Go back to 18/6 lighting too. Plants like a night time and do a lot of their grow related processes in the dark period that makes them healthier. The only time I would use 24 hour light is with autos as it helps retard flowering a bit and lets them get bigger until they go into flowering. Then they get switched to 20/4 or 18/6 lighting which is like what C.ruderalis gets in the wild north where it came from.

Did you get the Jungle Juice Bloom too? If not do it now. The plants don't need much but you are missing part of their needed nutes if you are not using it. For veg the basic way to use 3 part nutes is 3-2-1, G-M-B, then for flower switch it around to 1-2-3. That's very simplistic but the basic method of getting the ratios right for each stage of growth.

I found a great spot to download FREE POT BOOKS. I downloaded a grow bible first and got lots more. Books look great and complete like the real ones I have here. No web site but just a page of links. Just right click on what you want and then "Save Link As" to download so they don't open first as some are 50+ megs. They got lots. Enjoy.

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Good luck!
 

im4satori

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im guessing here...JUST A GUESS

but im thinking the high humidity is giving you SOME of your issues
some of the new growth looks like rot with light browning

have you done any preventative measures for insects?

it could be nothing but I might have seen some white flecks on the leaves
is it possible you might have spider mites?

what we need to do is go thru the process of elimination to sort out your problemS

next time you water use only plain water NO NUTES and water them thoroughly just in case ita possible you over fertilized ...we don't know this to be true but a good flush wont hurt anything or it could help greatly

how quickly can you re-pot them?

re-potting might be the easiest way to help them out
 
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im4satori

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post for me the

npk % numbers on the 2 bottles of fertilizer your using along with the calcium and magnesium % for each

then tell me how your mixing the nutes
how many mls per gallon
 

mk3coupe

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Hello everyone, thank you for all your help and info. So to answer some questions for you.

im4satori, to get my humidity back in check I have put in an exhaust fan at the top of the tent that runs the whole time the lights are out to keep air moving and also put a orbital fan that blows air around. Enclosed is the pic of the side of the jug of nutes. For every gallon of water I use 60 ml of grow and 30 ml of micro. Like I said I put in the water, then the notes and then ph up, then it just sits and tries to separate. Very frustrating. about the bugs, I have none what so ever. I bleach the walls of the tent and am very diligent in keeping a very clean tent. I don't even go in friends grows cause I would rather not even play that game.

OldMedUser, I am new to the Advanced Nutrients line, like I said I was using the Jacks Classic. I never had any problems with it, but the store that carried it is gone, now I am trying my hands at real ferts. I cannot find on the bottle where it says "ph perfect" like some of the other nutes they make says. The separating problem has me for a loop. So, how do I get my water down to 6.5 so that my plants can uptake all the nutes if it is not there when I go to water?

I feel as though I have lost this batch of plants? Luckily I had taken clones before all this bull happened, and I have a couple grown ops in the area that I can get some quality clones from.
 

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im4satori

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an appropriate dose would be

8mls grow per gallon
4mls micro per gallon

max (absolute max)
10mls grow per gallon
5mls micro per gallon
 

mk3coupe

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Oh man, I wish I was wrong. That is what I have been mixing per gallon. I feel so stupid. Maybe that is why my ph is off so bad? I called the AN people and he was no help. Is that what is causing the rust colored spots? I am going to assume I should just use regular water for awhile? Fuck I feel so dumb!!
 

im4satori

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Oh man, I wish I was wrong. That is what I have been mixing per gallon. I feel so stupid. Maybe that is why my ph is off so bad? I called the AN people and he was no help. Is that what is causing the rust colored spots? I am going to assume I should just use regular water for awhile? Fuck I feel so dumb!!
its not your fault

its a common newbie mistake

ive made it when I started as have most

the directions given by the manufacturer usually suck ass.... blame them its there fault

and then you call them and there useless
 

im4satori

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I get an empty 5 gallon bucket

hold the plant over the bucket and water with a hose until enough water has run thru the pot to fill the bucket

then don't water again until its ready

then proceed with feeding the lower dose of 4mls and 8mls every other watering

when the plant starts to look healthy and moving forward then increase to 5 and 10 mls every other watering
 

im4satori

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I cant fully answer the question without the missing info to sort out the potassium, calcium, magnesium cautions

but just looking at the npk alone

for full strength bloom

5mls grow
5mls micro
7mls bloom

looks good

the bloom amount could float as low as 5 and as high as 10mls depending on where you are in flower
 

mk3coupe

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ok, so i am back from the barn. here is more info and bad news. The first 3 photos are the nutes.

I went out and looked in the flower tent because tonight is the night to water or feed, but tonight is water. my plants are starting to look horrible. starting to crows feet i think and narcosis of leaves. I swear i am going to lose my mind. I swear i am going to burn it all down. i have never had problems growing till now. lots of successful grows and all of a sudden this is starting to kill me. I don't know what to do.

Phillip
 

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im4satori

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after spending some time looking at your nutes thoroughly

this is how I would mix it

full strength veg per gallon
7.5 mls grow
5 mls micro
2.5 mls bloom
3mls calmag
1/8 tsp Epsom salt (1/2 a gram)
optional;
since your in soil the Epsom salt could be top dressed
you could add 1/4 tsp 1x per week which would be more convenient

full strength bloom nutes per gallon

5mls grow
5mls micro
7.5mls bloom
1ml calmag


always mix it the same;
for a weaker EC add more water to dilute until you hit target EC
for a stronger EC add less water and then dilute until you hit your target EC

optional;
during late bloom to leach N and boost P
0mls grow
5mls micro
14mls bloom
 
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