HELLTH Canada new Privacy Breach filed

R.Raider

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Gotta agree with Gator on this one. You may get off in court but why risk it? I'm moving shortly myself and getting a new ACMPR license is top of my priority list.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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With respect your age and income will not deter a conviction, if busted. I hear from my good friend Jeff who left this forum because he did not agree with persons promoting that it is perfectly safe to move an MMAR license. It's illegal plain and simple so anyone reading this reply please stop promoting this DELUSIONAL idea. You only succeed in putting people and their families at risk of serious legal, finiancial, criminal and emotional repercussions. If u choose to do it fine. But to promote it as safe with no repercussions for others, is just plain wrong and irresponsible. Enough said.
I don't recall promoting anything, please don't start lecturing me on what I can and can't write. I stated my position and why I felt it's the best option for me. I don't give a fuck what anyone else does. Like everything else I've done in life, I'll do it my way. I never said you were wrong, I'm just done playing HC's game. If the need arises I have nothing to lose by standing up to rights-defying, constitution-bending laws. You play along by the rules and I'll take my chances...not sure why you needed to attack me over a different point of view?
 

Gatorgold

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I don't recall promoting anything, please don't start lecturing me on what I can and can't write. I stated my position and why I felt it's the best option for me. I don't give a fuck what anyone else does. Like everything else I've done in life, I'll do it my way. I never said you were wrong, I'm just done playing HC's game. If the need arises I have nothing to lose by standing up to rights-defying, constitution-bending laws. You play along by the rules and I'll take my chances...not sure why you needed to attack me over a different point of view?
Well if you view me educating you and others on the legal realities, as an attack, what till you get raided and an RCMP officer puts a loaded gun to your head. Then you may wish to redefine what an attack really is. I am not lecturing you, but educating you and others and it seems a lot of your colleagues are coming to their senses now too. " I don't give a fuck what anyone else does" now that's just a sign of immaturity and irresponsibility. As to you not "promoting" the MMAR license moving as safe, I beg to differ, go back and read your ongoing posts on this issue. Yes I will play by the rules, that is what most people expect in a democratic society. Don't you ?? Good luck to you.
 

The Hippy

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I don't recall promoting anything, please don't start lecturing me on what I can and can't write. I stated my position and why I felt it's the best option for me. I don't give a fuck what anyone else does. Like everything else I've done in life, I'll do it my way. I never said you were wrong, I'm just done playing HC's game. If the need arises I have nothing to lose by standing up to rights-defying, constitution-bending laws. You play along by the rules and I'll take my chances...not sure why you needed to attack me over a different point of view?
I agree with your point of view Chris. As far as I'm concerned Conroy is a shit lawyer anyway. Look at the mistakes he made in the Allard case. Bumbling greedy old man. He has his opinion. And getting the judge to NOT allow moves was one of his finest fuck ups. It make zero sense that you can't move especially when the new program will allow you too.
And to rely on Turmel as my source of legal advise would scare me on some level. Yes he's won some and lost others. I feel in front of the right judge your point would be considered but yes it would be trouble to prove it.
Now Mr Gator agenda is much more clear to me....back defending his butt hurt buddy according to him.
Gee and I wonder what chased off asshole that was? There seems to be a number of various cases being won lately by those who were screwed over by the newly formed attitude towards us. They have been posted here. We DO win some, and it seems to be growing as judges are saying " wait a minute here, it's going to be legal and what are you trying to do to this person "
I personally feel the attitude is changing but do admit that it is might hit and miss.
Unfortunate the pigs are the first on scene and legal guy here is right...they show little mercy. Then after all your shit is destroyed they get spanked later sometime. Too late for you then.
I'm not sure what a reasonable officer would do if the only thing outta of line was your address on valid mmar paper work. A judge may consider that not an issue or may ignore your point all together. IMO it is not written in stone anymore that you'll get burned.
 

Gatorgold

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Now Mr Gator agenda is much more clear to me....back defending his butt hurt buddy according to him.
Listen I am not defending anyone. I simply contacted Jeff well after I made almost all of my posts and asked him if he had been following this thread. He told me he stopped posting and only looks in occasionally because he was making the same points as I am, and got frustrated with what I have described a DELUSIONAL thinking, and wanted no more of it.( A delusion is a belief that is held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion)

My agenda is one fold, to educate the uneducated in the fallacies of the thinking of certain members of this forum. Saying I am defending someone without even asking me is if I am is just wrong and presumptive at best. But I will agree with you on your point that Conroy is a greedy old man, that is fact. I could tell you a story that would blow your mind and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I am not a schill for Conroy, I don't like many things he did especially some quite unethical behavior, like double dipping, by taking all the Coalition monies we gave him plus Justice Phelan gave Conroy $689,000 as costs, of which he returned not a penny to any sick and dying exemption holder that donated to the cause, that's just plain sick. I was very vocal in past forums like CCC on his behavior and Turmel cannot stand him. I simply used Conroys legal analysis to prove my point, on moving MMAR licenses. And I did NOT say rely on Turmels legal advice, I said call him to find out how many cases he has defended, where people thought they could use the " I can use my MMAR at any address" scenario and were dead wrong and got convicted and sent to prison. That's what I said. But Conroy did win the Allard et al case didn't he ? Or most of us would not be growing legally, right ?
 

cannadan

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This thread was not about moving your licence....but about the health Canada breach.
Am I the only one here who has been robbed as a result of the privacy breach?
To me this is a much more important thread..
I had approx 20 grand worth of meds (at LP prices) stolen... which I had to replace from BM sources.
Maybe I need to sue Health Canada myself....
 

R.Raider

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This thread was not about moving your licence....but about the health Canada breach.
Am I the only one here who has been robbed as a result of the privacy breach?
To me this is a much more important thread..
I had approx 20 grand worth of meds (at LP prices) stolen... which I had to replace from BM sources.
Maybe I need to sue Health Canada myself....
You should tbh. If anyone has a case it's you.

Whatever happened with that, did the police ever charge him?
 

VIANARCHRIS

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Well if you view me educating you and others on the legal realities, as an attack, what till you get raided and an RCMP officer puts a loaded gun to your head. Then you may wish to redefine what an attack really is. I am not lecturing you, but educating you and others and it seems a lot of your colleagues are coming to their senses now too. " I don't give a fuck what anyone else does" now that's just a sign of immaturity and irresponsibility. As to you not "promoting" the MMAR license moving as safe, I beg to differ, go back and read your ongoing posts on this issue. Yes I will play by the rules, that is what most people expect in a democratic society. Don't you ?? Good luck to you.
I don't need an education, professor, you ain't teaching this old dog anything. You did attack me and called my point of view delusional - several times - And then you insinuate that I am immature? Fuck you. I tried to keep this as a friendly discussion, but you apparently have an affliction to accepting other points of view. Why don't you try to explain how we have a medical program at all and are months away from rec legalization without people breaking the rules of a democratic society. I've been in this fight since the '70's, I'm guessing your first toke was in 2001 after you got your pinks? You play by the rules, right? Seeing as though you insist I was promoting others to follow my lead, why don't you go back through my posts and show us where I said that. I know it's hard to believe, but most people on here are adults capable of making their own decisions. Not giving a fuck about what somebody else does is a sign of maturity, son. I don't need acceptance from others to do what I want, and I don't judge others for their decisions, something you will learn as you grow up.
There are retail recreational stores everywhere operating with the blessing of the local police - RCMP in my case - and you think I should be worried about an address change? Have a nice life bending over for HC, while I continue to treat myself without government interference.
 

CalyxCrusher

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Listen I am not defending anyone. I simply contacted Jeff well after I made almost all of my posts and asked him if he had been following this thread. He told me he stopped posting and only looks in occasionally because he was making the same points as I am, and got frustrated with what I have described a DELUSIONAL thinking, and wanted no more of it.( A delusion is a belief that is held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion)

My agenda is one fold, to educate the uneducated in the fallacies of the thinking of certain members of this forum. Saying I am defending someone without even asking me is if I am is just wrong and presumptive at best. But I will agree with you on your point that Conroy is a greedy old man, that is fact. I could tell you a story that would blow your mind and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. I am not a schill for Conroy, I don't like many things he did especially some quite unethical behavior, like double dipping, by taking all the Coalition monies we gave him plus Justice Phelan gave Conroy $689,000 as costs, of which he returned not a penny to any sick and dying exemption holder that donated to the cause, that's just plain sick. I was very vocal in past forums like CCC on his behavior and Turmel cannot stand him. I simply used Conroys legal analysis to prove my point, on moving MMAR licenses. And I did NOT say rely on Turmels legal advice, I said call him to find out how many cases he has defended, where people thought they could use the " I can use my MMAR at any address" scenario and were dead wrong and got convicted and sent to prison. That's what I said. But Conroy did win the Allard et al case didn't he ? Or most of us would not be growing legally, right ?
We get you're trying to help. But at the same time who made you in charge of "educating" people? To assume it needs to be done as some sort of duty comes off a bit self righteous. Do you see actual educators walking around stopping people in public to correct them? It'd seem a bit pedantic wouldn't it? Especially when using words like "superior evidence". Seems a bit of an odd way of teaching..............
 

Angus Hung

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If these dispensarys that there are so many of pay federal and province tax, wouldnt that mean the goverments are pretty much ok with whats going on? as they are taking a cut of a " illegal business " in the form of tax money?
so if they dont care about illegal selling drugs, how much can they really care if we are growing it? with paper work or not.
 

GrowRock

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If these dispensarys that there are so many of pay federal and province tax, wouldnt that mean the goverments are pretty much ok with whats going on? as they are taking a cut of a " illegal business " in the form of tax money?
so if they dont care about illegal selling drugs, how much can they really care if we are growing it? with paper work or not.
I totally agree that would make the government guilty of receiving proceeds of a crime.... which is a big no no
 

VIANARCHRIS

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yep they got His picture, his dna, and I gave them his address... so guess there is no rush...?????
Time for a little community justice, imo. I lived on an island with no police years ago and thieves were despised. A group of locals got together and took care of the problems when the arose...there was a few hurting people that were strongly encouraged to leave...
 
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