Help! Noob needs nute knowledge

papaGGGdawg

papaGGGdawg

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What up people!:peace:
I'm about to do my first grow, single dwc scrog. After much deliberation I've settled on AN sensi grow & bloom 2 part and their hobbyist bundle (voodoo juice, b52, big bud, overdrive). This decision is pretty set, happy to explain if anyone needs but my question is this...
A lot of people recommend only using 1/4 - 1/2 of the recommended dosage of their online feeding schedule. Does anybody have any opinions on this and does it count for both base nutes and additives?
For example, the feeding schedule on their website calls for the following per week during flowering in an 18 litre reservoir (single bucket, level below net pot, full change once a week) :

Sensi bloom A = 64ml throughout
Sensi bloom B = 64ml throughout
Voodoo juice = 32ml weeks 1-2
Big bud = 32ml weeks 2-6
B-52 = 32ml weeks 3-8
Overdrive = 32ml weeks 7-8

Could I just half the measures for the entire process?
Start at 1/4 strength and variably build up to full strength?
Any input whatsoever is appreciated.
Much love people:bigjoint:
 
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Buyfrommycity

Well-Known Member
papaGGGdawg said:
What up people!:peace:
I'm about to do my first grow, single dwc scrog. After much deliberation I've settled on AN sensi grow & bloom 2 part and their hobbyist bundle (voodoo juice, b52, big bud, overdrive). This decision is pretty set, happy to explain if anyone needs but my question is this...
A lot of people recommend only using 1/4 - 1/2 of the recommended dosage of their online feeding schedule. Does anybody have any opinions on this and does it count for both base nutes and additives?
For example, the feeding schedule on their website calls for the following per week during flowering in an 18 litre reservoir (single bucket, level below net pot, full change once a week) :

Sensi bloom A = 64ml throughout
Sensi bloom B = 64ml throughout
Voodoo juice = 32ml weeks 1-2
Big bud = 32ml weeks 2-6
B-52 = 32ml weeks 3-8
Overdrive = 32ml weeks 7-8

Could I just half the measures for the entire process?
Start at 1/4 strength and variably build up to full strength?
Any input whatsoever is appreciated.
Much love people:bigjoint:
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I saw u already posted this multiple times. But my advice is to stay away from dwc all together. But scrogging it will make it even more of a pain in the ass for your weekly water changes.

Dwc was all the rave like 5 years ago IMO. You're better off with a water pump system or flood and drain system if you want to try hydro.
Always start light with manufacture recomended nutrients. Different strains like different shit.
 
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Bombattak

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Bro you should never calculate your nutes quantity from what the bottle shown. Like the bottle know which method/how many plants under the lights/how long the veg will be and so on. Ppl sometime work with their nutes only with their eyes and feeling but they know their strains and quantityof nutes they needs. I guess by your question that you probably pretty new or not well experienced in growing weed(no diss) so i suggest using a ppm/ec pen and especially with hydroponic culture its a must and u cant go wrong.

Also along the way by the time if you want to know, i realised that using expensive nutrients are just making your pocket empty and at the final the result will be pretty the same. Your basic veg and flo A and B nutrients dont change a damn thing in the result at end so go for cheap brand. I tried almost all and i didnt find an veg and flo nute that really popup of the bunch.

Big bud is good and overdrive too i can testify but i changed big bud for 25kg pouch of PK 50-36 at 40$ and i got the same yield. Same for overdrive, i changed for 25kg pouch ok K and work good too so avoid exoensive brand name nutes.

Peace
 
papaGGGdawg

papaGGGdawg

Member
Buyfrommycity said:
I saw u already posted this multiple times. But my advice is to stay away from dwc all together. But scrogging it will make it even more of a pain in the ass for your weekly water changes.

Dwc was all the rave like 5 years ago IMO. You're better off with a water pump system or flood and drain system if you want to try hydro.
Always start light with manufacture recomended nutrients. Different strains like different shit.
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Sorry bro, my first post was more about whether it's alright to add any additives you like to ur base or whether there are there are combos that shouldn't be used together etc. This part is more specifically about schedule and dosing rates. In hindsight perhaps I should have posted it as an extension on my last thread.
Thanks for the info anyway, gonna stick with dwc as I've already got the kit. I've installed a drainage tap on my bucket so the plant can stay where it is when it comes to nute change, will refill via funnel in top.
Are there any general rules of thumb for which strains prefer certain concentrations? Or is it all just trial and error?
Peace bra! :bigjoint:
 
papaGGGdawg

papaGGGdawg

Member
Bombattak said:
Bro you should never calculate your nutes quantity from what the bottle shown. Like the bottle know which method/how many plants under the lights/how long the veg will be and so on. Ppl sometime work with their nutes only with their eyes and feeling but they know their strains and quantityof nutes they needs. I guess by your question that you probably pretty new or not well experienced in growing weed(no diss) so i suggest using a ppm/ec pen and especially with hydroponic culture its a must and u cant go wrong.

Also along the way by the time if you want to know, i realised that using expensive nutrients are just making your pocket empty and at the final the result will be pretty the same. Your basic veg and flo A and B nutrients dont change a damn thing in the result at end so go for cheap brand. I tried almost all and i didnt find an veg and flo nute that really popup of the bunch.

Big bud is good and overdrive too i can testify but i changed big bud for 25kg pouch of PK 50-36 at 40$ and i got the same yield. Same for overdrive, i changed for 25kg pouch ok K and work good too so avoid exoensive brand name nutes.

Peace
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Hey bro,
Correct! I'm gearing up for my first grow! It's only a single plant in a single pot, so no separate res or pumps or anything (other than the air pump). I totally get what you're saying about the nutes. The only reason I'm going AN is because I'm the tiny amounts I am buying (this is a strictly personal grow, planning on growing single plant maybe twice a year) the price difference is negligible. I was looking at other things like Ionic etc (some dude in my last post recommended), you start to see real big savings if you're buying 5 litres of each at a time, but I'm never gonna use all that, I'm looking at AN additives in like 250ml bottles, and at that level, the price difference really isn't very big.
Should I ever expand, I will definitely move away from AN.
Yer I think ec/ppm meter is my next buy, seems like a no brainer. Do you have any good advice or links weekly ppm schedule?
Thanks a lot G! :bigjoint:
 
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Buyfrommycity

Well-Known Member
papaGGGdawg said:
Sorry bro, my first post was more about whether it's alright to add any additives you like to ur base or whether there are there are combos that shouldn't be used together etc. This part is more specifically about schedule and dosing rates. In hindsight perhaps I should have posted it as an extension on my last thread.
Thanks for the info anyway, gonna stick with dwc as I've already got the kit. I've installed a drainage tap on my bucket so the plant can stay where it is when it comes to nute change, will refill via funnel in top.
Are there any general rules of thumb for which strains prefer certain concentrations? Or is it all just trial and error?
Peace bra! :bigjoint:
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A kit? It costs like $10 to make one. You have to scrub the tub/container weekly or they get nasty af quickly.
Plus the daily top off.
My suggestion was in hopes to have you consider getting your nute strength dialed in in a grow medium prior to going to dwc.
I prefer growing buds not roots. ;)
I have found no benefit to growing in Dwc vs automatic watering personally.
6 months from now you may agree.
 
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Cx2H

Cx2H

Well-Known Member
Ignore the sheet right above.
Roots grow big bud plants, don't get it twisted.
Sheety roots = fuxed up plant.
Nothing grows better than Dwc, if you have no life to maintain it...

But...

Dwc is a pain in the arse really, really.
Dtw work's just as good. But what ever.

64ml seems high unless it's a 10g res. AN is overpriced and needed at half dose's.

That schedule is mixed for small and large plants. You go all in right off the top and expect crispy sheet.

You never mentioned ca:mg so you will be posting in the future about spotting and random dumb sheet. Just saying..

Don't forget that they depend on your ignorance on the subject and hope you overdose to buy more quicker.

Npk is the same no matter what the source is.

AN uses PGR's in a couple of bottles in the line. That's the magic in it. = Big Bud, Over Drive.

B-52 is useless. Pretty much. Yeah.
Waste of 40$ a liter honestly.
Google b vitamins and plants and see what .edu's has to say about it.

Don't forget AN markets tomato nutrients because of federal law. Try canna if you want to dump money into overpriced nutes. Atleast they have decade's of cannabis research in the pocket VS Mike and his g5 tomato jet. Having said that fux cannaboost and that 80$ a litre bullsheet, but it works so good...

After a couple years and a couple grand of nutes that producing at cost are 150$ oz's you may say fux that sheet and want to produce 20$ ozs = dump the name brands and buy cheap nutes since they all are from the same base dry fertilizer.

No need to pay more to grow bud than it costs retail even in a restricted state.

Operating costs (electric + nutes + gear + random supplies + processing + time etc) biggest is electric if indoors and fertilizer, rest can be nominal after a couple grows if you pay attention and cut costs off the top.

Well I'm babbling and could add another 20 paragraphs on this.

Btw 250ml bottles are absurdly expensive if you look at it. Bulk is better even if you run twice a year.

#Random
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Cx2H said:
Ignore the sheet right above.
Roots grow big bud plants, don't get it twisted.
Sheety roots = fuxed up plant.
Nothing grows better than Dwc, if you have no life to maintain it...

But...

Dwc is a pain in the arse really, really.
Dtw work's just as good. But what ever.

64ml seems high unless it's a 10g res. AN is overpriced and needed at half dose's.

That schedule is mixed for small and large plants. You go all in right off the top and expect crispy sheet.

You never mentioned ca:mg so you will be posting in the future about spotting and random dumb sheet. Just saying..

Don't forget that they depend on your ignorance on the subject and hope you overdose to buy more quicker.

Npk is the same no matter what the source is.

AN uses PGR's in a couple of bottles in the line. That's the magic in it. = Big Bud, Over Drive.

B-52 is useless. Pretty much. Yeah.
Waste of 40$ a liter honestly.
Google b vitamins and plants and see what .edu's has to say about it.

Don't forget AN markets tomato nutrients because of federal law. Try canna if you want to dump money into overpriced nutes. Atleast they have decade's of cannabis research in the pocket VS Mike and his g5 tomato jet. Having said that fux cannaboost and that 80$ a litre bullsheet, but it works so good...

After a couple years and a couple grand of nutes that producing at cost are 150$ oz's you may say fux that sheet and want to produce 20$ ozs = dump the name brands and buy cheap nutes since they all are from the same base dry fertilizer.

No need to pay more to grow bud than it costs retail even in a restricted state.

Operating costs (electric + nutes + gear + random supplies + processing + time etc) biggest is electric if indoors and fertilizer, rest can be nominal after a couple grows if you pay attention and cut costs off the top.

Well I'm babbling and could add another 20 paragraphs on this.

Btw 250ml bottles are absurdly expensive if you look at it. Bulk is better even if you run twice a year.

#Random
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Way too much good advice here... Lol

I'm firmly in the 'don't do DWC for your first grow' camp.

Cheap hydro nutes are available at your landscape center, don't waste your money on the silly expensive hydro store water bottles.
 
papaGGGdawg

papaGGGdawg

Member
ttystikk said:
Way too much good advice here... Lol

I'm firmly in the 'don't do DWC for your first grow' camp.

Cheap hydro nutes are available at your landscape center, don't waste your money on the silly expensive hydro store water bottles.
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What hydro system would you recommend for first time?
 
papaGGGdawg

papaGGGdawg

Member
Cx2H said:
Ignore the sheet right above.
Roots grow big bud plants, don't get it twisted.
Sheety roots = fuxed up plant.
Nothing grows better than Dwc, if you have no life to maintain it...

But...

Dwc is a pain in the arse really, really.
Dtw work's just as good. But what ever.

64ml seems high unless it's a 10g res. AN is overpriced and needed at half dose's.

That schedule is mixed for small and large plants. You go all in right off the top and expect crispy sheet.

You never mentioned ca:mg so you will be posting in the future about spotting and random dumb sheet. Just saying..

Don't forget that they depend on your ignorance on the subject and hope you overdose to buy more quicker.

Npk is the same no matter what the source is.

AN uses PGR's in a couple of bottles in the line. That's the magic in it. = Big Bud, Over Drive.

B-52 is useless. Pretty much. Yeah.
Waste of 40$ a liter honestly.
Google b vitamins and plants and see what .edu's has to say about it.

Don't forget AN markets tomato nutrients because of federal law. Try canna if you want to dump money into overpriced nutes. Atleast they have decade's of cannabis research in the pocket VS Mike and his g5 tomato jet. Having said that fux cannaboost and that 80$ a litre bullsheet, but it works so good...

After a couple years and a couple grand of nutes that producing at cost are 150$ oz's you may say fux that sheet and want to produce 20$ ozs = dump the name brands and buy cheap nutes since they all are from the same base dry fertilizer.

No need to pay more to grow bud than it costs retail even in a restricted state.

Operating costs (electric + nutes + gear + random supplies + processing + time etc) biggest is electric if indoors and fertilizer, rest can be nominal after a couple grows if you pay attention and cut costs off the top.

Well I'm babbling and could add another 20 paragraphs on this.

Btw 250ml bottles are absurdly expensive if you look at it. Bulk is better even if you run twice a year.

#Random
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Nice bro, I get ya. Thing is like I said, I only need a couple hundred mls of each additive, everything apart from AN I can find comes in litre bottles minimum. I could get more bang for my buck with other products but I think nutes only have about a year shelf life once opened? I'll be chucking out 2/3 of the bottles so what's the point really.
Is there a system of hydro you could recommend over dwc for a first time grower? Single plant, healthy yield, tent is 1*1*2m (3.4ft ish)
 
Cx2H

Cx2H

Well-Known Member
papaGGGdawg said:
Nice bro, I get ya. Thing is like I said, I only need a couple hundred mls of each additive, everything apart from AN I can find comes in litre bottles minimum. I could get more bang for my buck with other products but I think nutes only have about a year shelf life once opened? I'll be chucking out 2/3 of the bottles so what's the point really.
Is there a system of hydro you could recommend over dwc for a first time grower? Single plant, healthy yield, tent is 1*1*2m (3.4ft ish)
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A cheaper feed route is maxigrow, maxibloom kiss method, GH Lucas method, jacks classic 20-20-20 1 part, GHSC dry 1 part, 5-5-5 Liquid feet from home depot etc. Plus the handy Epsom salt.

Btw I have liquid nutes 3 yrs old and they still work great.

Best for new grower IMO is a Drip system. Kinda sorta like hydro, forgiving like soil. You miss a res top up in Dwc your ppm hits 2500 -3000k and plants are fried, miss a pH bump it's a big yellow twisted contorted mess. Miss those in drip no ppm swing but pH has to be monitored. But a 5-10g res will last week's vs daily did I do or not do this events.

Can't do drip then Coco as long as you understand it binds mg to it and requires pre charging prior to planting to alleviate the issue or it will work you. But it will produce well once you figure it out on.

Don't want to drip or Coco then...

2x2 Flood and drain table and 20 gallon res
Or
1-100 site Ebb and flow setup.
Or
Hempy bucket
Or
Dutch buckets
Or
Aquaponics sprayer on the roots sheet etc.
 
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