High PH signs, symptoms and correcting...Pictorial!! A must read for newb'z

plaguedog said:

First of all I never started the age battle, Tiki did. My last post was never directed at just him.
So I won't that's why I got rid of the post. I have stated my case, and will stick with my belief. No need for to pH in a decent soil/soiless medium if you know your water source and how your fertilizer will react with it. I never wrote owned btw. No idea what you are talking about, think you have me confused with someone else.


Most people have zero clue of what their water contains as they don't bother to have it tested or find a water report. They just think about pH alone which is the wrong way to go about it. That's all I ever said since my first post in this thread. If you guys think commercial greenhouse/perennial growers etc are constantly adjusting pH you're wrong. It doesn't happen very often unless they have a terrible water source.

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Most people dont know whats in their water, true. Thats why ph becomes high. Dont tell me for one second you can buffer with lime and water with a high ph. It just dont work, the ph rises, rises and rises, just like mine did. Try it some time.

so as a previous business owner, you how important it is to protect your investment right?

Well I really dont know why they wouldnt worry about ph considering every plant has a target ph for best production. Do I think they are constantly adjusting the ph? Let me ask you this? If i had a hundred thousand dollar operation running, do you think I would take the 3 min every day to protect my investment? Yes I would feel better giving my plants the exact ph they ask for, why leave it up to the soil and buffers to correct me and my water cause im lazy?... I dont, wont, never will, never have. I will continue to ph my water and encourage others to do the same. It takes the risk out of losing my investment, and the investment of my patients. Why would you put that on the line?

So have I learned there are alot of people who are in perfect soil and perfect water with everything working just perfect. awesome!!

I guess having so many strains all with different nute requirements, all needing n, p,k cal,mag and micro at different times, different ages, they grow at different speeds, grow different sizes, flower different speeds, use water at different rates, That is the biggest reason why I ph my water. But guess what they all have in common? the ph. They all want 6.5 ph. the 1 thing they have in common(except they grow fat budz and manufacture thc) is ph.

I did have to learn everything I know somewhere, trial and error, FAILURE is a big teacher. I know some say I dont know anything, but srsly if I know nothing why can I grow cannabis and provide all my different strains with what they want all at different rates and concentrations? If I really knew nothing, I would not have green plants.

I do not preach nothing else works, not my message here. There are millions of mixtures of all different ingredients. Find what works for you and go with it, thats what i did. ph your water dont ph your water run side by side with the same strain, same soil same everything and look at the end results.

The fact is I havent worked on the books or for anyone besides my self for 14 yrs. There is a reason for this. I guess I have way too much extra time on my hands and I can do all sorts of side by side comparisons. I take the results and use them. Just like all the great inventors of the past 400 years did. They tested, by trial and error got the results and put them to use.

Im open to all kinds of ideas, Shit i even watered with a high ph and re-learned what i already knew, MY soil mixture needs the correct ph water to maximize growth and prevent fluctuations even in a tiny amount for a short period of time.

Im not the "I cant do it, you cant do it" type of person. quite the opposite actually. I really hate the phrase " I cant do it" try it, if it doesnt work, dont do it again.

still at it huh?

man this is why you dont have any plants, you spent your whole morning trolling,,, fuk man

did you see the 11 pointer? check it out, got some 13 point leaves also. you got some?

AllenHaze said:

I suppose I can go on. I did read the whole articles which is how I know that they do not mention anywhere using water. The articles were not that long to begin with but I can tell by your disbelief that A. You cannot read very fast ergo have not read very often, can't read very well etc etc you get my point and B. that you did not read the entire articles yourself, perhaps you just skimmed through and incorrectly assumed they would support your claims? Now, as for my plants being so squat might I suggest that you read up on the effects of different light spectrums on growth patterns? I am growing predominantly Sativa strains in a 3'x3'x2.5' box here (as noted by the thin blade like leaf fingers) Thank you Arjan - so maintaining a lower profile was in my best interest, not to mention the steps one should take to increase the F:M ratio which include: high N, low K, cooler temps, shorter daylight hours, high humidity, and more light in the 5-6500K range as well as a few others I can't think of atm. There is also increasing evidence out of Sweden I believe, it could very well be the Dutch though - that more space for vertical growth of the root system say 14 inches or so will increase F:M dramatically. I think the results are still inconclusive on this one. You'll find that after a while that many of the professionals techniques and approaches to growing are very similar to one another; a collective source of reliable information. For the record here are some of my sources. I don't take Seemore 100% seriously but he has some good information in there none the less. Let's get one of these guys in here and see what they think about using just adulterated water to adjust pH. I also have several videos on hand and another book by Ryan Riley I have misplaced atm. I think there are things you can really contribute to this website but maybe you need to look a little further to find them. g2g ttyl.
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yea i understand the ph is not going to be stable. so have you tryed it. yea? you said giving your plants a low ph would kill them and make you lose medicine right? how if the ph is not affected?

My plants look awesome alein wana see again? i dump ph up down back and forth all the fuk over the place and yet I still have bad ass plants,,, guees it dont hurt the fungal network to much,,,, I wouldnt have white fuzz growing on my soil if this were true....

purple?? where lol

hey alien... where did all your trolling go?? went bye bye!!!! yea!!!!

look at all the purple on my plants, how do i get rid of itlol!!! I make purple on purpose alien trolll!!!

give it up dude,,, your a lame bored mutha fuka, put all your time into my thread, dont you have a boyfriend who needs a good fukn.

thank you!!

sativa indica pits said:

give it up dude,,, your a lame bored mutha fuka, put all your time into my thread, dont you have a boyfriend who needs a good fukn.

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That's a sig quote right there!

I see a lot of posts on here also on how you cant use clear containers to grow in....was that some healthy plants in 2 liter bottles I saw earlier?

I grow in white containers sometimes with no trouble....just another riu myth...kinda like u don't gotta check pH....lmmfao

This thread was a complete waste of my time. Thanks a fucking lot guys.

Really????? Lay off the fucking weed, people. Take some ADHD medication.

Of these 48 pages, maybe 2 of them are actually about pH and buffering while the rest is about ... cock holsters? Am I correct? You're all going to hell!

Dude, you guys should go start a thread about white containers vs black containers.

Why does this always happen? The minute someone mentions a clear reservoir as a minor detail, they forget the question and go on a rant about something totally irrelevant. You don't think this thread already has enough pages? You want more irrelevant side discussions?

Pull yourselves together bruhs.

smokegreenshlt said:

I grow in white containers sometimes with no trouble....just another riu myth...kinda like u don't gotta check pH....lmmfao

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For your low pH symptoms thread, try adding a bottle of fuming nitric acid to the soil and see how well the limestone buffers. It will strip away the carbonates and cause them to offgas as CO2. The calcium carbonate will become calcium nitrate, and will be very leach-able.

For the experiment in this thread, you really should have used a scale to measure potassium hydroxide flakes in grams to feed, rather than feeding "high pH water". pH of water is bullshit. Like plaguedog said, it has no buffering capacity.

But because you scatterbrains already made this thread 50 pages long, there's no way my post will be read by new readers.

I have a feeling that the next thread this twit puts out will either have alot of contradictions to this thread, alot of appologising for being wrong in this one, or alot more argueing. One of the three. Ill read it though, this trainwreck is finnshaggyesque and gets me lolin all the way through

hey alein did you see my plants yet? I must remind EVERYONE all the plants I picture here are based on this theory, and this is how I grow..........dont like it? too badhey alein count the blades in that last pic.....

tikitoker said:

I didn't ever say a thing about vinegar. I use citric acids and humic and fulvic acids. B vitamins are also acidic is chemical make up. dude you just dont know enough.

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I know plenty, your comments are off base. I wasn't even talking to you about pouring pH adjusted water with vinegar (will lower, but HARDLY stable go ahead and see HOW QUICKLY it stays at that pH in a a container or reservoir, minutes not even days or hours). I know a shitload more then the majority on this website and have helped more people out then I have harmed with halfassed information.

churchhaze said:

For your low pH symptoms thread, try adding a bottle of fuming nitric acid to the soil and see how well the limestone buffers. It will strip away the carbonates and cause them to offgas as CO2. The calcium carbonate will become calcium nitrate, and will be very leach-able.

For the experiment in this thread, you really should have used a scale to measure potassium hydroxide flakes in grams to feed, rather than feeding "high pH water". pH of water is bullshit. Like plaguedog said, it has no buffering capacity.

But because you scatterbrains already made this thread 50 pages long, there's no way my post will be read by new readers.

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New growers would be better served to get their medium in the correct range and then see what their water source is made up of. Would save them both time and money.
Well said.