High PH signs, symptoms and correcting...Pictorial!! A must read for newb'z

churchhaze

Well-Known Member
I just want to make one more post to make fun of that 'chemist' who uses elemental sulfur and citric acid tea to get the "krebs going".

:-P:rolleyes::roll::confused::-x:bigjoint:

(My favorite part is when he threatened to report someone for calling him an idiot. He once PM'ed me to threaten to kill me because I said sulfuric acid won't give you lead poisoning or cause cancer.)
 

sativa indica pits

Active Member
For your low pH symptoms thread, try adding a bottle of fuming nitric acid to the soil and see how well the limestone buffers. It will strip away the carbonates and cause them to offgas as CO2. The calcium carbonate will become calcium nitrate, and will be very leach-able.

For the experiment in this thread, you really should have used a scale to measure potassium hydroxide flakes in grams to feed, rather than feeding "high pH water". pH of water is bullshit. Like plaguedog said, it has no buffering capacity.

But because you scatterbrains already made this thread 50 pages long, there's no way my post will be read by new readers.
See the thing is, this is how I grow, look at my pics.... does it look like it works?

Just because this is "unconventional growing" does not mean it dose not work. I have growing like this for years, k so #1you dont like it, #2 you havent tryed it, #3 you never will #4 you can prove me wrong here look at my pics, my plants seem to disagree with you, and as always they love me.

Im going to keep growing just like this forever, you cant stop me so why are you trying.

And all this..... this happens, thats gona happen, its gona kill your plants, its gona make that do this and this do that.... i just have to laugh at that, look at the results for your self....
MY PICS!!! if all you guys were right, my plants would be a hott pile of steamy shit right, according to you guys, it doesnt make any difference what you dump in the soil. but look at the 30+ pics of 100% vigorous, lush, fast growing, deep green leaves. Have you heard the saying "the proof is in the pudding? Well the proof is in the pics"

Well just like witch trials of boston Mass. they were trying "unconventional medicine, science" they got ridiculed, stoned to death and killed for what they belive worked, same case here. I showed something so unstudied, so new, so unheard of I must be wrong.

As ive said before, i will continue to experiment, run side by side grows and post the results. I can show you the same exact plants i dumped tons of ph up and tons of ph down on. they are growing right in the same room right next to the rest of the plants and they are all healthy, simple, did it kill them, hell no, did it slow them down for 6 days yea it did. so did watering with un adjusted water, i proved that it harmed my plants, thats the ball kicker here

It harmed my plants, screwed them up, why is that really so had to beilive. Oh and blaming me to why no one read your thread, sorry make a better thread next time. im not here to bitch and bicker. im not here to make friends, shit half of the people telling me im soo wrong have never tryed it and I dont know what else to say except try it before you knock my thread.

You make a thread, you think im going to come run my mouth when you have pics showing your results and when i have never tryed what your saying to do? Thats the dumest fukn thing iv ever heard.

Im really done wasting my time here, try it , if it doesnt work dont do it again. really simple thought here guys!!!
 

sativa indica pits

Active Member
I just want to make one more post to make fun of that 'chemist' who uses elemental sulfur and citric acid tea to get the "krebs going".

:-P:rolleyes::roll::confused::-x:bigjoint:

(My favorite part is when he threatened to report someone for calling him an idiot. He once PM'ed me to threaten to kill me because I said sulfuric acid won't give you lead poisoning or cause cancer.)

who are you talking about here? i never threatinted you, i never report any thing, call me an idiot i really dont care and im deff not going to "report you"
 

churchhaze

Well-Known Member
Honestly, I don't think I could criticize any soil grower. I haven't grown in soil for about 10 years now. I'm strictly a hydro guy now. Your process is clearly working and looks good.

The problem isn't your grow, but your experiment. The results of you pouring "pH'd water" and leaving it for a day were basically inconclusive. It was hard to tell if the "drooping" was from pH fluctuation or just over-watering. The problem is that while we knew the pH of the water, we didn't know exactly how concentrated that solution was, and thus how much ability it had to bust buffering capacity.

My suggestion for a better test would be to use a known amount of a specific chemical like potassium hydroxide, and to test for a longer period. For example, instead of adding "a cup of pH'ed water", add a cup of water with 5 grams of potassium hydroxide in it. The control plants would get the same amount of water, but not the 5 grams (for example) of potassium hydroxide.

See the thing is, this is how I grow, look at my pics.... does it look like it works?

Just because this is "unconventional growing" does not mean it dose not work. I have growing like this for years, k so #1you dont like it, #2 you havent tryed it, #3 you never will #4 you can prove me wrong here look at my pics, my plants seem to disagree with you, and as always they love me.

Im going to keep growing just like this forever, you cant stop me so why are you trying.

And all this..... this happens, thats gona happen, its gona kill your plants, its gona make that do this and this do that.... i just have to laugh at that, look at the results for your self....
MY PICS!!! if all you guys were right, my plants would be a hott pile of steamy shit right, according to you guys, it doesnt make any difference what you dump in the soil. but look at the 30+ pics of 100% vigorous, lush, fast growing, deep green leaves. Have you heard the saying "the proof is in the pudding? Well the proof is in the pics"

Well just like witch trials of boston Mass. they were trying "unconventional medicine, science" they got ridiculed, stoned to death and killed for what they belive worked, same case here. I showed something so unstudied, so new, so unheard of I must be wrong.

As ive said before, i will continue to experiment, run side by side grows and post the results. I can show you the same exact plants i dumped tons of ph up and tons of ph down on. they are growing right in the same room right next to the rest of the plants and they are all healthy, simple, did it kill them, hell no, did it slow them down for 6 days yea it did. so did watering with un adjusted water, i proved that it harmed my plants, thats the ball kicker here

It harmed my plants, screwed them up, why is that really so had to beilive. Oh and blaming me to why no one read your thread, sorry make a better thread next time. im not here to bitch and bicker. im not here to make friends, shit half of the people telling me im soo wrong have never tryed it and I dont know what else to say except try it before you knock my thread.

You make a thread, you think im going to come run my mouth when you have pics showing your results and when i have never tryed what your saying to do? Thats the dumest fukn thing iv ever heard.

Im really done wasting my time here, try it , if it doesnt work dont do it again. really simple thought here guys!!!
 

sativa indica pits

Active Member
yes i could have been more exact when i made the op, but i wasnt, and i cant change the op. I did go on to say It was almost pure ph up i dumped thru the cups, this would most deff change the soil ph. i did the same when I used the ph down, close to almost pure ph down.
 

pSi007

Active Member
I just want to make one more post to make fun of that 'chemist' who uses elemental sulfur and citric acid tea to get the "krebs going".

:razz::rolleyes::roll::confused::mad::bigjoint:

(My favorite part is when he threatened to report someone for calling him an idiot. He once PM'ed me to threaten to kill me because I said sulfuric acid won't give you lead poisoning or cause cancer.)

this guy said put battery acid in the plants.. haha.... Let's see how others react if you told them you put battery acid in their daughters medication.

anyway.. what else did they say? some of this information looks useful.. I am not an internet fanatic so I have not been up to speed on this thread in the last weeks.


dudes... the Earth Juice Natural Down (citric acid) is the shiz... It keeps my organic rez of ACT, blood, bone, guano, kelp meals smelling like earth and not a pile of shit. :smile: pH 100% stable. The pH comes from non-usable acids. This means the plant can not use the citric acid, it stays suspended and feeds a cycle, the cycle in turn releases oxidative properties which feed off the elemental sulfur and releases a usable acid, sulfuric, naturally.. It is a beautiful and dynamic process of living microbes suspended in a pH of 6.0 in 27 gallon res. The water is RO and has no shitty alkaline buffers and it never changes. I have zero pH drift.

..to each their own.. now let me read some of the last 20 pages. :weed:
 

pSi007

Active Member
Church and I had a run-in for "and's and if's".. I said someone would be mad if they thought they were poisoned.. anyway.. ok, Nitric acid and converting calcium carbonate into calcium nitrate.. interesting.. That is a Chem question and the lab can apply differently in a Krebs cycle. the water can also absorb the out-gas of co2 and absorb it into another acidic condition. these ideas are very good for mediums with a neutral pH buffer, or lack of, like many hydro applications. Earth is much different. We have so many earthern buffers in natural soil in California, I love it.. I dont make holes and fill with soil, I do straight ground, slightly tilled to 12". The plants do great when I give them large doses of nutes and pH, after about 2 weeks, they go a pale color again, perfect leaves and growth, just pale.


some ACT and pH 6.5 with no water born buffers works well.. still, earth reverts back to a slight acid pH in Nor-Cal and causes pH issues with lack of nitrogen because the pH buffers a little too high at 6.8 or so in most places without being in a run-off location or swamp, or in a copper or limestone deposit.

this is great for late stage blooming because we dont want much nitrogen late stages anyway.. the phos is absorbed well and with a week of leaching and tap water, i get yellow/purple (not green) plants with donkey dicks. the plants always preserve the perfect earthy taste and no harsh smoke, ash burns softly to a light white color.. perfection..


edit... to convert calcium carbonate into calcium nitrate, you will need large amounts of pure nitric acid.. sadly, the suspended form of nitric salts used in "pH downs", will release too many salt-based ammonia compounds and TDS to render the calcium carbonate mute to calcium-nitrate benefit because it will form ammonia toxicity.


you will overdose your soil with pH down in order to produce calcium nitrate, unless you have pure nitric acid (water dilution) mixed with RO/rain water. this is hard to get b/c they make explosives very easily. ..and the calcium will absorb slowly, much lower than the nitric acid, which will convert back to a carbon form via Odda process.


i have some redwine and water in me, let me know if this helps.
 

euphoria78

New Member
Well, I for one appreciate your post. I also grow hydroponic show orchids and ph is critical. If everyone understood not only what ph is, but causes... like the plants themselves... and that water is no longer perfect in most places. We tested 8 types of bottled water that tested over 8.4.
Thank you for your informative post... just shocked to see all these negative replys on this site. Every thread I read, there are two or three folks that are apparently Bill freakin' Nye. I really thought smokers had a bit better attitude. A shame really.
 

bird mcbride

Well-Known Member
Alot of cities and towns use battery acid(sulphuric acid) for ph down. I was actually shocked to find this out. With a bit of electricity battery acid is easy to produce.
 

sativa indica pits

Active Member
Well, I for one appreciate your post. I also grow hydroponic show orchids and ph is critical. If everyone understood not only what ph is, but causes... like the plants themselves... and that water is no longer perfect in most places. We tested 8 types of bottled water that tested over 8.4.
Thank you for your informative post... just shocked to see all these negative replys on this site. Every thread I read, there are two or three folks that are apparently Bill freakin' Nye. I really thought smokers had a bit better attitude. A shame really.
Thanks for appreciating my findings. Not every person has to stay right on top of ph. Soil plays a huge roll oh how stable your ph is. Some soil is stable at 5.5 others 8.0 Now for a new grower, that has no experiance except putting a seed into some soil, ph becomes more important for them, there soil is far from stable at 6.5

A grower that has many years tweeking soil/ferts and mixtures of additives and so on, may not have a big problem with ph.
 

shackleferd

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This post reminds me of the one i posted awhile back on another site. Basically i stated what i have learned from growing like how important ph is, soil, types of nutrients, size of pot, watering, and etc. About a third of the a-holes on that site basically said i was a retard and didn't know any better even after i posted links from major agricultural sites to support what i wrote down. I always keep on open mind to other growers opinion no matter how far fetched it sounds because it just might be right.
 

Renfro

Well-Known Member
More valid than most current "what's wrong posts" with examples.
I have been preaching the importance of having a good digital soil pH meter and using it to monitor the soil pH. It can often take a dive in early veg and you have to water high to compensate. I have had bales of sunshine that came with a high pH after they changed peat suppliers, had to water really low to offset that. So many people tell me that you don't need to check pH in soil but I have saved crops by doing so and I know others that have as well.
 
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