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Hillary Fundraiser Offers Thoughts On Her Upcoming Book Tour: "Shut The F**k Up And Go Away!"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by MMJ Dreaming 99, Sep 7, 2017.

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    dagwood45431

    dagwood45431 Well-Known Member

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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    If you don't want to talk politics, start a bernie fangirl thread on tokentalk. You can get all lovey dovey together there.

    Bernie's been OK. I'm just pointing out that since the end of the 2016 election cycle, he's been much more practical and pragmatic in his policy stances. During the debates in 2015 he ripped Clinton a new asshole about the ACA and how come we don't already have universal access to healthcare. As if it was her fault and not Republicans and a few blue dog Democrats. Now, he's not only leading the defense of the ACA, he's telling his colleagues that it's OK with him if they don't vote for his bill on single payer healthcare. I say this not to criticize, I'm just saying that he's a good average white politician who will be good for the white people of Vermont while he sweeps under the carpet social issues that he's uncomfortable with such as Black Lives Matters. For political reasons, he's also backing people who oppose abortion. I understand why he's doing this and don't really like it.

    I'd like somebody better to lead this country but will settle for him if he wins the nomination.
     
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    schuylaar

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    'before it was called obamacare, it was called hillarycare' -hillary clinton
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    Nope. Never happened.

    Clinton won the majority vote and lost in the Electoral College. We need to get rid of the EC. That's the most I've said on this issue. Otherwise, I've always maintained that it's the job of each candidate to convince people to vote for them. Same with Bernie. Never claimed rigged in any case. Every politician faces headwinds and dirty tricks. It's their job to convince voters to vote for them. No excuses, no do-overs.

    Tell me again how the election was Bernie's to win and it was stolen from him. I'll say once more that's the argument of a weak crybaby.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    LOL

    Tell me again how Bernie will bring us single payer healthcare next year.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    I've known women who inspired me to get them out of my life. Also inspired to never get close to their kind again.
     
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    schuylaar

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    <schuylaar carefully backs away from thread>

    dude you got the creep factor going here..
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    Sanders is an average politician who has been good for the white people of Vermont. His statement that "people are tired of political correctness" and other comforting words to white people who are made uncomfortable by people who point out their privileged status in the structurally racist US socio-economic system is old school pandering.

    But he's better than Trump, so I'd vote for him if he wins the nomination.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    I don't much care for narcissists. It was a revelation to me when one tried to dominate me, I'd never seen anything like it before. Dumped her, but it was messy socially because her ego couldn't handle rejection. Never dated one like that again.

    Just an example of how a woman can make a man.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Tell us again how your exalted Democrats will, instead.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I think he just said he's considering a gay lifestyle.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    They didn't promise something they knew couldn't be delivered. Tell me again how it's OK that Bernie is is backtracking on this issue from his stance in 2015-2016 primary season.
     
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    schuylaar

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    TMI..this is a political debate.
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    I was just replying to your comments.

    Why is it that Bernie is now backtracking on his position of single-payer healthcare must happen now? Why is it OK with him if people don't care to vote on his plan?

    By the way, Jeff Merkely, Oregon Senator has signed on as co-sponsor. Both Senators from Oregon support single payer. As do I.

    I'm just pointing out how easily you Sandernistas were taken in and convinced Bernie was some radical. Somebody has to help you through your delusions.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Yet you slavishly sing their praises every time they have a useless vote on the repeal of Citizens United, so what's the difference?

    Besides your double standard, that is?
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    Did you know that every Democratic Party Caucus Senator voted for Bernie's bill to repeal Citizen's United in 2014? The way you talk, it's as if you didn't know that.

    Is this where you call me a hypocrite?
     
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    schuylaar

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    straight talk.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Holy fuck, you just admitted it was Bernie's bill!

    Can you show me the daylight between our positions, again?

    Tell me more about how the Amendment King can't get things done or how he doesn't have good ideas...
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    I've said it many of the times I've repeated it to you. What? you didn't know?

    Last year you were practically frothing at the mouth that "corrupt Democrats don't support repeal of CU". They always have. Or at least always have for about 20 or more years. Now that you realize it was Bernie's bill, you understand, I guess, that Republicans blocked passage of the bill, not Democrats. You've been walked back by your Amendment King to accepting it won't happen right away.

    I don't care how you got here but, yeah, we don't have much difference once you come to the understanding that campaign finance reform has always been blocked by Republicans.
     
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    Padawanbater2

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    You're trying to push this narrative because you can't argue against his policy. In light of how many Democratic senators have signed on to co-sponsor his bill, you'll more than likely shift positions, again

    Sanders has always been a supporter of universal coverage, going back decades. He's the reason we're talking about it now. His supporters are the reason it's gained so much momentum and why so many establishment Democrats have accepted it as inevitable, especially the ones planning on running in 2020. If any of them didn't, they know there's no way they would win the nomination. For some, it's a political move, which is still OK with me, so long as they vote the way 80% of their constituents want them to vote.

    Sanders said Democrats can vote however they want, but he believes it's unlikely they'll win the election if they vote against universal coverage. You're trying to paint that as him being totally accepting to supporting candidates who don't support it, which is a blatant lie. There's only one reason you would try to smear him and lie, we all know why.
     
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