Honey vs Molasses

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Green4Ganja

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beneficial bacteria loves sugars and starches like molasses and honey and yes you can add up to 1 part 3% peroxide to 10 parts water without killing beneficial bacteria Source: books and lots of them

But i would go with molasses:

Molasses is not applied to Cannabis gardens as a nutrient, but rather as a supplement that provides vital micro- nutrients, enabling microbial life in your soil to flourish and thrive. Either on its own, or applied in

conjunction with other supplements and nutrient solutions, molasses is one of the most prevalent gardening additives - whether destined for small pot gardens or major commercial crops. Advantages of using molasses over high-fructose corn syrup or other forms of sugar include the presence of trace minerals, as well as its chelating and pest-controlling properties.
 
kingzt

kingzt

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Besides excellent genetics I haven't found any additive that will increase resin production besides bud factor x. To my knowledge bfx main ingredient is chitinaise and I am going to try experimenting with steeping some insect frass. I might just add some honey and an air stone now haha.
 
Labs Dexter

Labs Dexter

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kingzt said:
Besides excellent genetics I haven't found any additive that will increase resin production besides bud factor x. To my knowledge bfx main ingredient is chitinaise and I am going to try experimenting with steeping some insect frass. I might just add some honey and an air stone now haha.
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Don't do it on hydro or that I only done it in soil and would only recommend that buddy.
It will fuck up you water and pump.
Since I used honey my plants have been producing crystals at first week then really packing it still is now, I can post final pic in few weeks.
I think it's the nectar because it comes from flowers naturally but not sure
plus it was recommended to me by my mums brother he grows in Tanzania and allways used honey for his plants he said it makes them pray lol. And pray she does even on dark period.
This is just from me doing this.. And this might not work for you but I don't see why not especially if you can get the raw with high pollen so its not been tampered with and only heated to 42 degrees. But try at your own risk buddy. Just had to let that out because I have no 100% guarantee but it's worked a treat for me since grow 2 and I'm on 6 going on 7 and haven't had transfer shock since but that might be because I'm using a root boot potting mix lol.
But crystals its good my summer indoor temps were at 34c lights on and had good crystals on three perpetuals. And now it's just getting better with the cooler temps it's 24c lights on 18 off
 
kingzt

kingzt

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Labs Dexter said:
Don't do it on hydro or that I only done it in soil and would only recommend that buddy.
It will fuck up you water and pump.
Since I used honey my plants have been producing crystals at first week then really packing it still is now, I can post final pic in few weeks.
I think it's the nectar because it comes from flowers naturally but not sure
plus it was recommended to me by my mums brother he grows in Tanzania and allways used honey for his plants he said it makes them pray lol. And pray she does even on dark period.
This is just from me doing this.. And this might not work for you but I don't see why not especially if you can get the raw with high pollen so its not been tampered with and only heated to 42 degrees. But try at your own risk buddy. Just had to let that out because I have no 100% guarantee but it's worked a treat for me since grow 2 and I'm on 6 going on 7 and haven't had transfer shock since but that might be because I'm using a root boot potting mix lol.
But crystals its good my summer indoor temps were at 34c lights on and had good crystals on three perpetuals. And now it's just getting better with the cooler temps it's 24c lights on 18 off
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No I don't run hydro. I use the air pump to keep my water aerated to multiply the beneficial. The honey is used for food so they multiply but it has to stay aerated. Then I would use it to hand water.
 
Labs Dexter

Labs Dexter

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kingzt said:
No I don't run hydro. I use the air pump to keep my water aerated to multiply the beneficial. The honey is used for food so they multiply but it has to stay aerated. Then I would use it to hand water.
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Yup as long as it raw honey and not been messed around with, if you scroll back a page or two you will see a big S.A about honey give it a read it explains better than me what to look for in honey before use.
If you got the right honey then go for it.
It its just standard honey then don't
 
TheFuture

TheFuture

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In my opinion honey is simply too expensive to use in cultivation. It definitely adds benefits such as antibacterial properties and polysaccharides but way too expensive. I love molasses and it is cheap and easy to get.
 
Labs Dexter

Labs Dexter

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TheFuture said:
In my opinion honey is simply too expensive to use in cultivation. It definitely adds benefits such as antibacterial properties and polysaccharides but way too expensive. I love molasses and it is cheap and easy to get.
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If you are in UK or have a Holland and Barretts you can get one cheaper than molasses and raw lol, gotta do some research... If manuka honey is all you can get then I would advice not to use because that is too expensive for bloody honey.
 
vostok

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kingzt said:
Does anybody prefer honey over molasses when feeding your plants. I know molasses is used as a carb to feed the microbes and I am sure that is exactly what honey does also. Is there any added benefit when using honey? I use a lot of high brix molasses but have access to a lot of raw honey as well and I'm just curious to what the good folks of rollitup have to say about it, thanks
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I've seen many a good grow totally screwed by the addition of molasses

without further info from the grower, it can easily be mis diagnosed as something else

I urge extreme caution, like not feed ur all your plants at once, as it is very difficult to remove

as for honey ..Well theres no comparison

add one teaspoon to your watering every 2 weeks, a little dish soap acts as a surfactant

I also use honey on my clones and any plant wounds

Honey is antiseptic, and carries a lot of plant hormones, auxins and Gibberellins etc

both may attract bugs to your soil area stay sharp

good luck
 
Labs Dexter

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vostok said:
I've seen many a good grow totally screwed by the addition of molasses

without further info from the grower, it can easily be mis diagnosed as something else

I urge extreme caution, like not feed ur all your plants at once, as it is very difficult to remove

as for honey ..Well theres no comparison

add one teaspoon to your watering every 2 weeks, a little dish soap acts as a surfactant

I also use honey on my clones and any plant wounds

Honey is antiseptic, and carries a lot of plant hormones, auxins and Gibberellins etc

both may attract bugs to your soil area stay sharp

good luck
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I have to wear my goggles when I go in there lol its like this little storm we av abbigale lessons learned from first two grows insects wise.
And second thing every watering while plants are out of the tent dripping into a bucket I clean with anti bacterial and let it air out the fumes that was a lesson from first two grows lool

And the honey is what I would recommend like vostok said it's from flowers all the broken sweet nectar ready to be re digested.

In my grows I found since I mix raw honey with water my plants are non stop praying even during dark period and after a good soak..
I have a bad habit defoliating and mow with honey been in their system they are hard as rock and didn't manage to stun.

Again that's from my findings I would like more people to opt in because in here it feels like I'm around hydro shop owners lol no one has tried or kept the old school methods and are willing to tell you about super AN bull poop than anything else lol.


This would not be suitable outdoors to ants and other buggers but you can use cinnamon power around your soil and it will not harm your plant but get rid of them..
 
TheFuture

TheFuture

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Im in Colorado, so Honey for my use is prohibitively expensive. I do however feel that blackstrap molasses is a necessary addition to both feed your microbes and to supply a little Nitrogen and polysaccharides. A plant that has more sugar (brix) content is more vigorous, can withstand drought better, and has more resistance to bacterial, fungal, and pest pressures. I also like to spray it on the plants as a foliar application to deter some insects and provide a little extra Nitrogen. (Im using regular old molasses, Sulphur and all, the kind you find at Sam's Club or Costco.

However, using more than 1tsp per gallon, twice a week will quickly result in plants that are exceedingly green to the point of almost turning dark purple or black. At this point the plant's chlorophyll cannot photosynthesize and so you get the same results as chlorotic leaves. At this point if you overwater, you can quickly develop an anoxic zone in the root mass as the sugars are converted into alcohols. That's never pretty.
 
Labs Dexter

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TheFuture said:
Im in Colorado, so Honey for my use is prohibitively expensive. I do however feel that blackstrap molasses is a necessary addition to both feed your microbes and to supply a little Nitrogen and polysaccharides. A plant that has more sugar (brix) content is more vigorous, can withstand drought better, and has more resistance to bacterial, fungal, and pest pressures. I also like to spray it on the plants as a foliar application to deter some insects and provide a little extra Nitrogen. (Im using regular old molasses, Sulphur and all, the kind you find at Sam's Club or Costco.

However, using more than 1tsp per gallon, twice a week will quickly result in plants that are exceedingly green to the point of almost turning dark purple or black. At this point the plant's chlorophyll cannot photosynthesize and so you get the same results as chlorotic leaves. At this point if you overwater, you can quickly develop an anoxic zone in the root mass as the sugars are converted into alcohols. That's never pretty.
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And I'm sure molasses you have to stop use two weeks before thinking of chopping is that right?
And thanks for that info really appreciate it, so that explains my vigorous grows since I learned no to piss a plant off because of high brix content in soil. Because I start using honey fromm week 1 of flower day untill last week of flower...
Only thing I noticed the buds are really sweet when inhaled and smooth
 
TheFuture

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Yeah, definitely stop some time before you flush. I had some for a few batches that I actually had too much brix content. When we were trimming it up, it would exude pure sugary sap. Sure enough, when smoked, it would snap, crackle, and pop. Smelled just like caramelized sugar. I dont know if honey would have that same effect.
 
Labs Dexter

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TheFuture said:
Yeah, definitely stop some time before you flush. I had some for a few batches that I actually had too much brix content. When we were trimming it up, it would exude pure sugary sap. Sure enough, when smoked, it would snap, crackle, and pop. Smelled just like caramelized sugar. I dont know if honey would have that same effect.
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I didn't experience that apart from just sweet buds on inhale, makes your breath like dog shit tho lol.
And very sticky icky... I really think the plant is able to make use of it before its too much because honey is from flowers anyway... if you get what I mean.
I Can't prove the science lol I was a drop out but can say plants love it compared to molasses in my growing inviroment:bigjoint::weed:
 
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