How long does your super soil last?

Pattahabi said:

That is subjective. I've grown out Chernobyl and Agent Organge, neither of which would see my flower room again. Such good soil he throws it out everytime...
Why didn't you like chernobyl and agent orange if you don't mind me asking?

I don't give a rat's ass about 1.5g per watt. If you are going for numbers go talk shop with the hydro guys. Dollars in (his pocket) Dollars out (your pocket). This baffon has been greasing the editors at high times for decades now. The only thing he knows is how to talk out his arse. I heard him say once how much plants hate neem... would you like to see my plants after I spray them with neem? I suppose the praying towards the lights means they hated it. Bone meal, blood meal, etc... I think he's getting an endorsement for the slaughterhouse byproduct producers association.

Subtool's stupid soil is a reckless and pathetic attempt at applying an npk/hydrostore mentality to organic soil growing. He does not stress the importance of the humic portion of the soil, but advocates a truckload of different ingredients. He openly states he uses avid on his plants, and I'm sure the non-organic doesn't stop there (rooting hormones, etc).

It ain't rocket science,

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norcal mmj said:

Yes same idea but then you let bacteria breakdown the plant matter by letting is sit for a month or so. Ive topped dressed my outdoor with lots of stuff but not my indoor so much. I bought 25lb bags of amendments this year that's why I've been playing with plant fermentation.

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Pattahabi said:

Subtool's stupid soil is a reckless and pathetic attempt at applying an npk/hydrostore mentality to organic soil growing. He does not stress the importance of the humic portion of the soil, but advocates a truckload of different ingredients. He openly states he uses avid on his plants, and I'm sure the non-organic doesn't stop there (rooting hormones, etc).

It ain't rocket science,

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norcal mmj said:

Thanks for being nice and stating a fact with out attacking me. Most people are so negative when they make a point.

What's avid, I've only been watching his show for 2 year and im thinking when he moved to Cali he might have gone more organic. He's a spionsad fan I thought. I've only been growing for 3 years and making my own soil for about a year and a half.

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Wetdog said:

THAT ^^^ right there expresses just what I hate about Stupid Soil, the hydro mentality to organics aspect.

Thanks P!

Wet

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Pattahabi said:

Lol, well, I don't know about nice, but I'm not trying to attack anymore personally. I attached the MSDS for Avid insecticide. I watched a video where Subtool says he just has so many mother plants he has to use avid. Read that, and tell me that's something you want to spray on your plants and smoke.

Spinosad is NOP approved for organics. It's a bacteria rather than chemical. It will kill bees, invertebrates and other beneficials, so be sure to read the precautions before using.

You're on the right track starting your own worm bin. As Coot once said, get the humus portion down, and you will have few questions thereafter.

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Are you by chance the same Wetdog as on GC?

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Pattahabi said:

Lol, well, I don't know about nice, but I'm not trying to attack anymore personally. I attached the MSDS for Avid insecticide. I watched a video where Subtool says he just has so many mother plants he has to use avid. Read that, and tell me that's something you want to spray on your plants and smoke.

Spinosad is NOP approved for organics. It's a bacteria rather than chemical. It will kill bees, invertebrates and other beneficials, so be sure to read the precautions before using.

You're on the right track starting your own worm bin. As Coot once said, get the humus portion down, and you will have few questions thereafter.

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Are you by chance the same Wetdog as on GC?

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norcal mmj said:

Most people attack not state ideas, but really if you sell and don't just grow personal why wouldn't you track your gram a watt and try to do better to make more money and improve your self ?

I only spray new clones and little plants way before they reach flower,I would kill my crop before I spray any where near flower and I use omri organic spinosad spray.

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bankcee said:

spinosad is a fucking beast!! I'll die buy that shit. lol

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green_machine_two9er said:

some people grow medicine for others and do not sell but recieve donations for taking the time ane effort to take care of plants. Im one of those people and money will never be a prioity for me. But hell i do work full time as well. guess it would be nice to have growing be my only job someday.

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ButchyBoy said:

I gave the super soil a try last year. My issues were burning in veg and early flower then early fading. The early fading could have been caused by too much of one thing locking out another. I had the same issues for two grows in that soil with the third grow falling on its face very early. If you read up on amendments you will see that some last a few months or less and some can last for years.

I have since re-amended the same soil with better stuff and am on my third plant in the same soil. So far the fade starts around day 35 using clear water only.

Here is a shot of my room from yesterday. The platinum bubba on the right that is fading is 41 days into flower. The plant in the center that has started fading is also a platinum bubba and is at day 38. The holy grails, Xj13 and my cross (still need to name it) are just getting going.

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Pattahabi said:

That is subjective. I've grown out Chernobyl and Agent Organge, neither of which would see my flower room again. Such good soil he throws it out everytime...


I don't give a rat's ass about 1.5g per watt. If you are going for numbers go talk shop with the hydro guys. Dollars in (his pocket) Dollars out (your pocket). This baffon has been greasing the editors at high times for decades now. The only thing he knows is how to talk out his arse. I heard him say once how much plants hate neem... would you like to see my plants after I spray them with neem? I suppose the praying towards the lights means they hated it. Bone meal, blood meal, etc... I think he's getting an endorsement for the slaughterhouse byproduct producers association.

Subtool's stupid soil is a reckless and pathetic attempt at applying an npk/hydrostore mentality to organic soil growing. He does not stress the importance of the humic portion of the soil, but advocates a truckload of different ingredients. He openly states he uses avid on his plants, and I'm sure the non-organic doesn't stop there (rooting hormones, etc).

It ain't rocket science,

P-

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norcal mmj said:

Most people attack not state ideas, but really if you sell and don't just grow personal why wouldn't you track your gram a watt and try to do better to make more money and improve your self ?

I only spray new clones and little plants way before they reach flower,I would kill my crop before I spray any where near flower and I use omri organic spinosad spray.

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Dr. Who said:

And his buddy The "REV" and his boat load of amendments. Same damn thing......Then there's the "layering"....What is that about?

I used to say I did a "version" of the TLO soil......Lets see here....Guess not. Even the Base is different.....Fresh EWC, Canadian Peat (no coco), Little white lava stone (no perlite) and my own farm compost (no bagged steer shit).....No Bone meal, No blood meal. Less P sources over all......Dolomite alternatives and plenty of Gypsum...

I do far better with less amendments into the base and even less for the bloom soil.......I like doing it old school......Veg in a small pot say 2/5ths the size of the bloom pot, with a low P&K soil mix then up pot them to the bloom soil mix and let them veg for 2 more weeks and flip - then just stand back and water..

Doc

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Pattahabi said:

Agreed, I put the Rev in the same boat. Get good with the fewest ingredients possible imo. Using a huge list of of unfamiliar ingredients is only going to empty one's pocketbook and leave them frustrated.

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norcal mmj said:

I'm a no spray person unless there's a new plant coming into my grow. Never meet or seen a person use avid sorry including subcool. I kill it it with subs soil with electricity it coast 300$ a pound to grow. you guys should really complain about people using bottles. If subs amendments are unfamiliar to you dont use them. I live in the biggest weed producing part of the county, prices are low, competition and supply are high. I'm thinking you need to live in the word of growing and distribution to understand. I'm a good 40% cheaper than a club, so I'm taking care of people and making money.

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Pattahabi said:

Do I sound like this is my first rodeo? I'll be the first to admit there is always more to learn, but there's a good chance I have been doing this longer than you are old. Live in the world of growing and distributing? Lmao!!!

http://bigbudsmag.com/protect-your-grow-room-by-quarantining-your-medical-marijuana-clones/
I try and grow as organically as possible, but when it comes to prevention and dealing with pests, I choose a nuclear warhead and dip new clones/cuttings into Avid. While the precautions instructions on this pesticide look pretty heavy, there are two main factors that put to rest any fears I have. First, I do not spray the product at anytime. Instead, I mix per label directions and use this as a dip only. Second, my research has uncovered the fact that Avid is used heavily in my local agriculture on many berry and fruit bearing plants, so I am already likely to be consuming large quantities. Some growers choose to use more Earth friendly products such as Neem Oil, but Neem is really hard on the plants and does not always ensure a full kill.

The proper way to apply Avid is to dip the clones as soon as they arrive and then again three days later, ensuring that all emerging eggs are also killed since mites have a life cycle of three days.

I will actually treat clones and then place them inside a dome and use duct tape to seal it shut. This prevents any pests from escaping and infecting your garden. I am also a fan of pest strips. Make no mistake, these contain a controversial toxin called dichlorvos and it is a carcinogen. I guess it’s really according to how bad you hate mites (or as we call them, “The Borg.”) I would never use the pest strips around flowering plants, but I have been known to tape one up inside a dome with newly received clones.

Organic my ass...

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