How to Hermie an AutoFlower?

nunof

Well-Known Member
Alright! So I've got one DWC closet grow under my belt and I'm looking to start a small-scale perpetual closet grow. My basic theory is sound, I believe, but its feasibility is still up in the air. I recently purchased some seeds from the attitude (Lowlife Automatic Hindu Kush) which autoflower and finish 56 days into flowering.

What I want to do is to turn one of my plants into a hermie so it can pollinate another. This way, I don't have to continually buy seeds, I can make my own when necessary. The problem I'm running into is that usually you just need to stress a plants light cycle to cause it to hermaphrodite. But with Autoflowering you aren't supposed to have to worry about the light cycle... I guess the questions would be:

1. Can you give an Autoflowering plant light stress to make it hermie without dieing, and how?

2. If you can, would the resulting seeds be feminized? (The theory behind this is that since you are working with feminized seeds, seeds which have no y chromosome, they would not be able to pass on a y chromosome required to make males.)

Any help would be wonderful. Real experience is appreciated but theory and internet knowledge are just as welcome.
 

delstele

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Why? I would just pick the beast female and clone it over and over. My understanding with Hermie is you run the chance of having all of the seeds you\produce sprout be hermies.But WTF do I know I'm just a dumb ass pot smoker.. :mrgreen:
 

nunof

Well-Known Member
You can't clone from Dwarf Autoflowering Cannabis....at least not if you expect any yield.
 

Don Gin and Ton

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i was thinking the same thing a while back how awesome it would be to have continues supply of fem autoflowering seeds, i saw somewhere on here that you can add a chemical to make it hermie, not sure what the chemical is though?!

anyone ???
 

nunof

Well-Known Member
Well after some searching online I found this info.

Soma's version of making feminized seeds.
"Creating feminized seeds is an art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have use gibberellic acid, light stress, ph stress, and fertilizer stress to force my plants to make seeds. All these methods are harsh on the plants, and some like the gibbrellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, other than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher PH, some like a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like a lot less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown strains for a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method “Rodelization” after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plant in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male “bananas”. A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built in safety factor so in case of sever conditions, the plant can make sure that the species is furthered.

To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop or at least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emerging devices out. I call them “Emergency Devices” because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plant 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one to two months and still remain potent.

For the second phase you need to already have a crop that’s already 2 ½ weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bag of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut down all the fans in the grow room. Then take a very fine paint brush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with ten different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time(two crops), but is completely organic and lets you have great quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers that has never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross pollinating. The older females with the bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, un-pollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later you will have ripe 100% female seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.

As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from THSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: “Drop seeds not bombs”.

www.somaseeds.nl
__________________
Peace
Zandor

If you go cheap you grow cheap. - M"

I really dont know if it works but its going in my library of infor to try out when I get a chance.
 

koolhand77

Well-Known Member
Well after some searching online I found this info.

Soma's version of making feminized seeds.
"Creating feminized seeds is an art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have use gibberellic acid, light stress, ph stress, and fertilizer stress to force my plants to make seeds. All these methods are harsh on the plants, and some like the gibbrellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, other than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher PH, some like a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like a lot less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown strains for a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making seeds and learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method “Rodelization” after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plant in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male “bananas”. A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built in safety factor so in case of sever conditions, the plant can make sure that the species is furthered.

To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female seeds. Many growers out there have male banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop or at least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emerging devices out. I call them “Emergency Devices” because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plant 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one to two months and still remain potent.

For the second phase you need to already have a crop that’s already 2 ½ weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bag of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut down all the fans in the grow room. Then take a very fine paint brush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with ten different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time(two crops), but is completely organic and lets you have great quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds. If you’re one of those growers that has never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross pollinating. The older females with the bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, un-pollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later you will have ripe 100% female seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.

As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started, I know very well the value of seeds. My friend Adam from THSeeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: “Drop seeds not bombs”.

www.somaseeds.nl
__________________
Peace
Zandor

If you go cheap you grow cheap. - M"

I really dont know if it works but its going in my library of infor to try out when I get a chance.

Very kool very helpfull STICKY: rep for you
 

past times

Well-Known Member
yeah, that is awesome.

That is exactly what i was looking for. i am about 2 months into curing/enjoying my last harvest. I had 3 g13 haze and 2 blueberry. I am not exactly sure why, i am thinking light stress from falling asleep with the door open, but something went hermi. anyway all the the plants have seeds. 20-30 seeds per plant i am guessing. does that mean all of these seeds are female? is it possible that one hermi plant pollinated all the plants?
 

nunof

Well-Known Member
If there are no males you may have feminized seeds. I'd be excited to hear some results from those grows.
 

flabbyone

Well-Known Member
I have grown out hermie seeds and at the time, wondered why I had such high female to male ratio. I had found the same write up a few months back which answered that question.

I never did understand why people had heart failure at the site of a male flower on a female plant though. Do they think it will turn them gay to smoke it or something? I did not and still do not have a problem with the occasional seed, even 15 to 20 per plant I can handle. It sure beats the days of half seed bags of columbian gold and redbud. Great smoke but all those seeds we use to get. Had a hell of a time getting them to germinate too. Sure do miss that taste though. Good pot for a commercial strain.
Good Luck, but I do not fear the hermie seed. I think they grow at least a higher average of female if not all female.
 

koolhand77

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sitting here thing of this makes me wonder. hmmmmm I have 10 g13 haze seeds that I will be getting to grow in about 6 months or so. i have to other lowryder grows I want to do. snowryder and white russian. but I might just order some auto blueberry. or auto ak47. let that shit hermie and blast the g13 with it. intresting. hmmmmmm. you definetly want a sativa to off set the heavy indica of the g13xhaze. what do you think? I will definetly be experimenting with seeds and pollen on my next 2 grows.
 

koolhand77

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i was re reading the blurp again. it says you have to do it twice, So I am assuming if I read it right you let one female hermie( grow a bannana) take the pollen from that plant and hit up another plant. then let that plant hermie and from there what ever you pollebate you should have fem seeds?
 
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