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How to let the athiest know our God is real

Discussion in 'Spirituality & Sexuality & Philosophy' started by weedhead24, Aug 7, 2017.

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    bizarrojohnson

    bizarrojohnson Well-Known Member

    I agree with ya dude it's hard to explain to people. I don't bother mostly, people are so brainwashed nowadays they can barely see their hand in front of their face.
     
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    bizarrojohnson

    bizarrojohnson Well-Known Member

    Except maybe the whole this is paradise thing.......one of those things that's hard to reason. Like how can this be paradise? Bc of its potential? Yes we have the potential to be in paradise. But we ruin it by letting ourselves be controlled and used. I also kind of agree about nothing being important. At the end of the day nothing is really more or less important than anything else. It's all fleeting, everything is just moment, a simple effect of the Big Bang. Still unwinding and expanding, I pretty much just envision the universe as a chemical reaction. Something that happened and will eventually end and even tho it seems like an eternity to us it's really just a blink of eye.

    So pretty much either perfection does not exist or everything is perfect. There is no in between, how can something have "flaws" if it's exactly as it was meant to be? I wish we a people would stop throwing rocks and trying to trying to take all the sand in the sandbox for ourselves and realize that all the things we stress ourselves out over on a daily basis don't mean shit. We suffer for nothing.

    I'm guilty of stressing over things that I shouldn't. But I'm trying to transcend this madness.

    Ps: it's difficult trying to explain things with this point of view. Bc either everything matters or nothing matters. Bc everything is connected, we all have the same origin. We just choose what to care about.
     
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    bizarrojohnson

    bizarrojohnson Well-Known Member

    Just my opinion......
     
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    bizarrojohnson

    bizarrojohnson Well-Known Member

    I agree with this. I don't believe in Christianity or any other religions view of god but I do believe in a "higher" power. Something that is so far out of our scope of reality that we can't comprehend it. I don't believe in some petty tyrant in the clouds. The god is described in the Bible does not sound like a "god" to me or a..... Since my definition of a god is different than most peoples I will use a different placeholder for my definition which will be "demi-god" so this will be less confusing. I will be using everyone else's definition for the rest of this post.

    So the god in the Bible and most other religions sound like the pettiness of man to me. No god would care for such pettiness as being worshipped. Sounds like they are trying to make us worship a demon to me.

    In my own opinion religion is nothing but a tool for control the masses.

    Heaven or Hell.......this is heaven and hell you can't exist in only one. Shadows are created from light and there is always a light on the darkness. There is no yin without yang.

    I also don't really believe in death, just transformation. We humans are made up of a bunch of things. A bunch of things that are found on this planet. A bunch of things that we can write down on paper and say this is what you are made of. Except for what's in the mind.....that which controls our bodies..... pretty much everything that existed when the Big Bang happened is stil here. There is no more of less matter in the universe.

    I think the same applies to our souls. Which I simply refer to as "life energy". And energy can neither be created nor destroyed.
     
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    New Age United

    New Age United Well-Known Member

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    New Age United

    New Age United Well-Known Member

    And by Paradise I am referring to the beauty and serenity of the earth and the heavens. I realize that is subjective. If you want to transcend suffering I would highly recommend the book " A New Earth " by Eckhart Tolle. Very wise man well worth the $ 15.
     
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    Heisenberg

    Heisenberg Well-Known Member

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    A.K.A. Overgrowem

    A.K.A. Overgrowem Well-Known Member

    The first evidence of a "BELIEF" The Bird Man Cult, seems to track on a sorta, kinda, parallel path to your thinking on a basic level, I do not know what big brains have written/researched it, Dr.Joseph Campbell mentions it in his original lecture series. Could be enough info around to be interesting. You might check it out.
     
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    bizarrojohnson

    bizarrojohnson Well-Known Member

    Lol the bird man cult.......great I feel insane now. I'll check it out, thnx tho.
     
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    A.K.A. Overgrowem

    A.K.A. Overgrowem Well-Known Member

    Think about it,"Bird Man Cult", has primitive written all over it. Don't say "great I feel insane now". Say "Great I feel Stone-age now". Or on a higher plain say "I know my views may not be mainstream but to learn they are arguably paleolithic, that's insane". LOL.
     
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    bizarrojohnson

    bizarrojohnson Well-Known Member

    Yeah I made that statement before I looked it up. It sounded like some current crazy cult in my head. Still can't find anything in their beliefs tho.
     
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    A.K.A. Overgrowem

    A.K.A. Overgrowem Well-Known Member

    Yes ,I've tried to research it in the past, Campbell shows art from different caves one dated to 30,000(?) yrs., another much older 80,000(?), showing dead in the bird man state. They know it was dispersed. The art shows it has after-life aspects. I can't remember the rest of the lecture. I am thinking more is known about the cult.
     
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    TacoMac

    TacoMac Well-Known Member

    It's down to common sense.

    Man, throughout it's history, has always had basic, common sense...until recently, of course.

    Man has always seen things in a very cut and dry manner: Things above them beyond reach (the sun, stars, birds, etc.) are "heavenly" and "good". Things beneath them (lizards, snakes, ravines, dark place, etc.) are "bad" and "evil".

    It has nothing to do with any greater power. It has to do with basic perception.

    The mythology of Egypt is far, far older than that of the Bible, yet the stories are nearly identical. To wit:

    The one great God has a great woman give birth to God's power on earth that will avenge the father by destroying the serpent of evil and bring peace to the world.

    That sounds like the story of Jesus, son of God and Mary, getting rid of Lucifer, doesn't it?

    It isn't.

    That is the story of Horus, the son of Osiris and Isis, killing Set. It was told around 1,000 years before the Bible was ever written.

    Man has always looked to the sky for what is good and the ground for what is beneath them and used the symbols of each accordingly. It has nothing to do with gods. It's simple, basic, common sense with a little imagination thrown in for a good story. Nothing more.
     
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    A.K.A. Overgrowem

    A.K.A. Overgrowem Well-Known Member

    Shame we don't live close. I would challenge to a Taco eating contest. 3 of 5 match, different place each time. I knew tribals had two realms but didn't think they dumped all their head aches on Terra Firma's side of the Ledger.. Guess that tornado hit was a chilied up Wind God having a gas attack? The Bird Cult fits well with above ground burials. the posers are, was he reincarnating as a bird, about to fly to the Happy Hunting Grounds, Going elsewhere. I don't think they can do much more. CREATORS OF A RELIGION, What should the Attitude be towards the assemblers of a religion? Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Plagerism abounds but hasn't been concepted yet so we're good to go.Vast scarcity of original thinking. Or, the masses went for it once, let's run it by again.
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    That's me you are talking about. Yea. I cut up and joke. I'm made in gods image. If I have a sense of humor so does he.

    You don't know me though.

    Go ahead and be like a lot of Christians. Think you are better and look down your nose at everyone.

    I think its funny. Someone asks you how you see the spec in your brothers eye but can't see the log in yours and all you have in answer is question marks.

    You don't even know the bible.
     
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    TacoMac

    TacoMac Well-Known Member

    That's the only reason they're Christians to begin with - so they can berate others and look down their noses at them. It makes them feel better about their own failed and miserable lives.
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    I know of a preacher that is known to let some four letter words fly in a sermon.

    I agree that there a lot of Christians like that. Not all though. I try my best not to.

    I used to think somewhat like that. I now am more of a live and let live type person.
    I'm on here for entertainment. If someone wants to have a serious conversation about then I will.

    I don't like organized religion because of those very reasons stated.

    I've seen some things happen in church that are not very Christian.

    Jesus is the way to heaven, not church.

    Those are my beliefs though. You and anyone else is allowed to believe as they wish and its not my place to condemn or judge.
     
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    Indacouch

    Indacouch Well-Known Member

    When I was a kid I was sitting in church and the preacher who never used any profanity all the sudden started dropping bombs bro ...lol .....he was actually pissed because I guess before service he heard some of his elders and ushers cussing up a storm....so he explained this situation and repeated it ......il never forget it.....I remember I was in junior high goofing off with my buddy in the sound room .....and the pastor says .....I heard one if my elders say Fuck today.....you could almost feel a slight vacuum from everybody gasping at the same time LOL....he had to give a formal apology to the congregation an the PCofG had him on there shit list for a while after that one.
     
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    whitebb2727

    whitebb2727 Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of this song. Its funny.

     

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